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Old 01-06-2013, 01:03 PM   #16
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ttwin, the face paper coming off and leaving the backing and paste on the wall is normal and actually makes the job easier because the backing paper will soak up the remover solution.

I've always applied the remover with a pump-up garden sprayer using very hot water. Keep applying it until you get run-off. Use a wallpaper shaver knife to remove the backing and to scrape the wall.

Wash the wall with the remover solution and then rinse with clear water. I also would recommend Gardz primer. It will help from damaging any paint by protecting it from starch, whick will cquse flaking and peeling.
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ttwin, the face paper coming off and leaving the backing and paste on the wall is normal and actually makes the job easier because the backing paper will soak up the remover solution.

I've always applied the remover with a pump-up garden sprayer using very hot water. Keep applying it until you get run-off. Use a wallpaper shaver knife to remove the backing and to scrape the wall.

Wash the wall with the remover solution and then rinse with clear water. I also would recommend Gardz primer. It will help from damaging any paint by protecting it from starch, whick will cquse flaking and peeling.
Thanks for the advice. So it's taken me some trail and error with this. First I was peeling the backing off by using my fingernail to lift a corner and pulling it off, let's just say I was getting nowhere. Then I tried wetting it and peeling but I was taking the drywall paper face off with it, luckily only in small easy to fix patches. I finally settled on using a spray bottle of hot water to wet the paper and allowing it to sit but taking my time to carefully peel the paper off using a slow and gently pull. Its working much better than my previous techniques but tedious because of the distance in the backing i created by doing it my first way. I will modify this and use a wallpaper scrapper. My question is does soaking the drywall constantly like you suggested damage it or do you just give it some time to dry off before you wash the walls?
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Although I have seen wallcovering pasted directly to the drywall at a large htel, almost all installer use an undercoater (Usually oil-base enamel undercoat0 to seal the wall prior to hanging. Not only does it protect the wall, it makes the wallcovering slide easier on installation. So, your wall should be protected against getting wet.

I have always used DIF brand Wallpaper Remover Solution. It is a concentrate, so 1-quart will suffice for an average size room. Put the HOT water in the sprayer first, then add th DIF. Otherwise it bubbles up like dish detergent. It helps deactivate the paste, making it a better choice than plain water.
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Although I have seen wallcovering pasted directly to the drywall at a large htel, almost all installer use an undercoater (Usually oil-base enamel undercoat0 to seal the wall prior to hanging. Not only does it protect the wall, it makes the wallcovering slide easier on installation. So, your wall should be protected against getting wet.

I have always used DIF brand Wallpaper Remover Solution. It is a concentrate, so 1-quart will suffice for an average size room. Put the HOT water in the sprayer first, then add th DIF. Otherwise it bubbles up like dish detergent. It helps deactivate the paste, making it a better choice than plain water.
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Although I have seen wallcovering pasted directly to the drywall at a large htel, almost all installer use an undercoater (Usually oil-base enamel undercoat0 to seal the wall prior to hanging. Not only does it protect the wall, it makes the wallcovering slide easier on installation. So, your wall should be protected against getting wet.

I have always used DIF brand Wallpaper Remover Solution. It is a concentrate, so 1-quart will suffice for an average size room. Put the HOT water in the sprayer first, then add th DIF. Otherwise it bubbles up like dish detergent. It helps deactivate the paste, making it a better choice than plain water.

I would modify that to say that all installers SHOULD use a primer.
Around here that only happens maybe half the time.
Anybody that installs paper without priming first should be hung by their thumbs for a day or two.
Just for the sake of argument,I have found Safe and Simple remover to be far better and less toxic than Diff.

http://www.safeandsimple.com/

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And just for more sake of the argument- I have found that just water and timing work as good as any additive that supposedly saves time.

Timing and soaking is everything
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Gents,
Chris, I am not familiar with that product, but I have used DIF and survived. I agree with the thumbs part, for sure...

BrushJockey, That kind of timing comes with experience which, a DIYer probably doesn't have.
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Unfortunately, the paste doesn't know a DIY from a pro. So I think its good to say- wet it and wait, then wet it again.
Patience pays.
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Welllllllll, I have tried it all ways, and I mean ALLLLLLL ways and after years and literally miles of paper removed found S&S to be the fastest. Certainly plain water will do the job but the enzymes and soap in the S&S work faster and more efficiently than plain water, Diff and the very much used fabric softener. That is from experience and nothing you say will convince me otherwise, so there

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BTW ,Mr paint S&S is out there in sunny California somewhere, you could probably get it cheap
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When dealing with wallpaper, I find that listening to Chris is the way to go.

BJ, you mention patience.......that is probably the #1 wallpaper removal mistake a DIYer makes. I can't count how many times a customer TRIES to do it themselves.......they SAY they soaked the He** out of it, yet I know they didn't.

I know for stubborn areas of wallpaper, I soak and soak and soak and then apply some cling wrap to the wall and let it marinate for 30 minutes or so........
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Chris, I looked it up on the web - looks like a good product. (It's made in a different state - Southern California)

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And just for more sake of the argument- I have found that just water and timing work as good as any additive that supposedly saves time.

Timing and soaking is everything
This. All the "tricks" like fabric softener works because it's mostly water. Fabric Softener does make the jobsite smell pretty though.
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Chrisn, does the s&s require rinsing?
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Chrisn, does the s&s require rinsing?
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