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Old 11-03-2009, 09:53 AM   #16
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Up here in Canada there is actually only one company that makes it. It's usually under the name "LPL Mastic Putty" and comes in a 1lb plastic baggy.
I don't know what companies in the USA make it/carry it.

I do know that Viking Sales in the USA carries the Swedish made stuff...



http://www.solventfreepaint.com/window_glazing.htm

...it's really high end stuff. Closer to Restoration/Heritage quality. But it is really excellent to use.

The every-day Putty comes in a little plastic pouch. You can usually see the yellow linseed oil separating in the pouch. Just like the way peanut butter separates. It's not as awesome as the Swedish stuff, but it is easier to get a hold of.



I also recommend the Silent Paint Remover from Viking sales. I bought mine from the Canadian distributor....but it's the same thing.
These paint strippers make Heat Guns look like a base model Honda Civic compared to a Lamborghini. I've never used one that makes stripping paint so easy.

http://www.silentpaintremover.com/



(again...I'm not affiliated with any company...I'm just showing what I have used over the years and what works consistently)

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Old 11-03-2009, 07:08 PM   #17
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Thanks for the info
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Old 11-07-2009, 11:19 PM   #18
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Firmly agree with man oof many hats. All my 100 yr. old double-hung windows have been reglazed after removing the glass, I have the old bubbled glass which distorts everything if looked if you lookthrough it at an angle. I used a small propane torch to soften the glazing compound, worked really well for me. My Dad swore by Boiled Linseed. After removing the glass I thoroughly cleaned and sanded the rail that the glass sat on then liberally coated the rail with oil. I did this until the wood wouldn't absorb any more. I could be wrong but I figured the oil will help the frame repell moisture and as the compound begins to dry it can wick out the oil that's in the wood, just let it dry thoroughly, I usually read directions with one eye closed unless it's something that could possibly injure or kill me or totally infuritate my wife. Good Luck
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I am in the process of restoring a 100 year old storm window..thank you for the tip of softning the putty with linseed oil. This stuff has endless uses, and is enviro friendly to boot. I got my linseed putty from http://www.swedepaint.ca. once I get the glass out I'm using the silent paint remover to get the paint off. I used the silent paint remover on my front porch. Ive tried all paint removers legal and otherwise, and NOTHING removes old paint the way this box does. I do not work for swede paint either, I just love thier products so much, I can't help but tell everyone I can. It costs way more than the big box store..but at least I'm not poisoning myself with alkyd, and painting every 5 years. Get a can of their paint or any other product and see for yourself!
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Skuce, Deeply appreciated your sharing of obvious wisdom and knowledge on glazing windows.

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Old 01-14-2012, 12:11 PM   #22
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Replacing glass, putty, blood, sweat, tears, trip to ER for 10+ stitches, time, primers, paint, new tools, sandpaper

VS.

Replacement windows which typicly take an hour to install and in most states will get you a tax rebate.
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Replacing glass, putty, blood, sweat, tears, trip to ER for 10+ stitches, time, primers, paint, new tools, sandpaper

VS.

Replacement windows which typicly take an hour to install and in most states will get you a tax rebate.
The truth to be told, those old windows will last another 100 years if taken care of, while the new ones will need replacing in 20 years!
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Replacing glass, putty, blood, sweat, tears, trip to ER for 10+ stitches, time, primers, paint, new tools, sandpaper

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Replacement windows which typicly take an hour to install and in most states will get you a tax rebate.
Or more likely...

$100

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$5000
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Iíve used heat gun, Goo Gone and Easy Off oven cleaner to remove old hard window putty.
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Old 01-19-2012, 02:32 PM   #26
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I figure I should add to this page a bit since I have changed a few things in my company since that first post.

I exclusively use Allback Linseed Oil Paints now. None of the other paints I have used in the last 3 years have held up. The fail-highlight was Ben Moore Aura that I tested in 2009 failed in 6 months! I don't want any of the work coming out of my shop to fail. I put too much work into it.
I am also NOT affiliated with Allback at all. I just really have had great results with their products over almost everything else that I have tried over the years.

Now regarding some of the Allback paints getting mildew. It's a 2 part situation. There is nothing in the paint itself for mildew to feed off of....but the food in the substrate surface gets mixed into the paint as you brush it on contaminating the paint. Then it will mildew.

Solution 1: Add up-to but no more than 10% Zinc Oxide (also from Allback) to the paint in the can. The zinc oxide makes the paint toxic to moulds and microbes so the mildew doesn't grow. They ship it separately from Allback because of the strict zinc regulations in Europe.

Solution 2: "Linseed Soap Extra". It's a Linseed soap that has Boron Salts and Ethanol in them. Wash down your existing mildewy paint with this stuff. The alcohol and the boron kills the mildew off. Plus the boron stays in the paint afterwards to kill off further growth. Usually 2 applications 6-12 months apart does the trick.


Now regarding Putty.

I only use Allback putty for doing requested Museum work currently. The rest of the time I use Sarco Multi Glaze (Type M). It skins over for painting in 3-5 days in the shop. The Allback takes about 24 days to skin over for painting with a Latex/acrylic. Oil can be painted on in 1 day "if" you order the USA formula of Allback Putty and not the European formula. The Euro formula is too "loose" in my opinion.


I also just got a job with a customer because my window restorations came in 400$ PER WINDOW cheaper than the Window Replacement guys. And my work will last 40-100 years easily, where the replacements usually start falling apart in 4-12 years.
Which is better for your money?
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Old 01-19-2012, 03:03 PM   #27
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Oh. For removing Impossibly hard putty. The kind that steam, heat or chemicals won't soften. Then you'll need a "hacking knife". C.R. Laurence carries them. Using a hammer against the knife to peel the putty away from the WOOD...not glass. It works! Just the first use of it is scary until you get the hang of it.
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there is an outfit called NUPUTTY,formerly of desplaines illinois,this stuff
holds up 30-50 years,tru valu hardware stores often have it
when applying it,see that the rabbet is smooth,a bit of a rounded edge,if the glass is freshly cut,use fine grit sand paper to round off the sharp edges,use
the glass cutter to chip,then round & fine sand each glass corner,glass that gets this done will take some pretty hard slams by kids (or party animal adults) without breaking.rabbet is bedded with as small bead(!/16 in thick when pressed into sash seat),use cold chisel to tap in glazing points,use chisel only for this purpose ,angling the beveled edge flat along glass surface, sinking the point into
the primed wood,making a snug,secure seat for the glass.
roll & kneed a putty roll , thumb press onto the joint, use a 3/4 bent knife
(embee brand,one inch for double strength glass) to slowly smooth,press the putty into the joint,make an inset angle at corners,making a track for water run off..
points should be invisible,the knife should leave a very smooth putty surface,it
should dry for a year before painting
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To Skuce - Thank you for you post, both intelligent and informative. At last I've an answer to a nagging question. Thank you
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Good post. I've got to decide whether to try this myself or pay a local window restoration company to do it.

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