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Old 05-06-2013, 09:53 AM   #16
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Looking into Chris's suggestion of using Safe and Simple, I noticed there was a way to ask questions on their website. Since Mike from that website took the time to reply (quite quickly), I thought I'd share his response for the archives (I'm assuming "606" is a typo and should be "603"). Due to the length of time he's suggesting to keep the paper wet, I also think the "plastic covering" mentioned in this thread would be well worth trying.


Jeff:
You have described the situation well.

Bathroom A is most likely a paper backed vinyl. The outer vinyl layer pulls off dry in relatively large pieces leaving a tan colored backing. The tan backing and wallpaper adhesive is removed with our 606 removal solution.

We rarely use a steamer on drywall since the steamer tends to also wet and soften the paper outer layer of the drywall. This is especially true when the dywall has not been sealed with a good coat of wallpaper primer.


Bathroom B may be more difficult to remove depending on the adhesive use. My guess is that 2 different types of adhesives were used. Bathroom A was probably a clear or clay based ahesive. Clear adhesives (when rewet) feel "snotty" but can be washed off with a removal solution. Clay based adhesives are usually tan or beige color and when rewet turn lighter in color. Clay adhesives are usually removed with a removal solution.

Bathtroom B may be installed with a 3rd type of adhesive called "Vinyl over Vinyl". It is often mixed with clay or clear adhesives and used to install wallpapers that are subject to seam separation due to moisture in rooms such and bathrooms. It is very difficult to remove.

In the interest of time, i suggest you try removing Bathroom A's residual adhesive with a home made mixture of 2 or 3 ounces of liquid Dawn dishwahing detergent mixed with on gallon of hot water and spray apply with a hand pump sprayer. You can try the same mixture on Bathroom B. The trick is to give the mixture time to work. Sometimes it works in 5-10 minutes, sometimes it takes an hour to rewet the backing or adhesive.

One other option is to rewet Bathroom B with a mixture of 25% liquid fabric softener mixed with hot water and spray apply. The liquid fabric softener works on Vinyl over Vinyl adheisve but takes a very long time to reactivate the adhesive (perhaps 2-4 hours).

Try either mixture in a small area. The trick will be timing and patience.

DO NOT use a paper tiger to piece the tan bacing. It will also pierce the paper face of the drywall and make remove al mess requiring skim coating.

Prior to painting all traces of adhesive must be washed off. DO NOT use TSP to wash walls that will be painted with a water based primer. The phosphate in the TSP will cause "alligatoring" of water based paints over the future months. After adhesive is removed, seal the walls with "Gardz" (made by Zinseer Co.) and available at a good quality paint store.

Let me know what happens.

Mike

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Vinyl over vinyl, dynamite or bulldozer. I did a job where they put paper paper up with clay paste, the whole house. Soak, soak, soak, turn it to mud, rinse, rinse, rinse it off. Created a lot of repair work with that much water. I'll slap the dead horse, steamers should only be used on papered plaster walls. Steam will damage the drywall, as has been pointed out. Every time I remove paper I swear I'm going to cross it off my business card, but I keep banging my bloodied head against that brick wall.
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also notice that Mike, NEVER used the "g" word
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Every time I remove paper I swear I'm going to cross it off my business card, but I keep banging my bloodied head against that brick wall.
Only carving 40,000 linear feet of silicone used as caulk can be a worse job for a painter. I still have nightmares about those stupid wallpaper borders that were the rage. Alas I repeat myself.

Sorry, Chris but there is no other word for Elmer's but the G word. People must have bought it by the gallon for affixing wallpaper at times. And the A word has to be used for the vinyl stuff.
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I have to admit at times I've used words that started with neither a G or an A..
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Only carving 40,000 linear feet of silicone used as caulk can be a worse job for a painter. I still have nightmares about those stupid wallpaper borders that were the rage. Alas I repeat myself.

Sorry, Chris but there is no other word for Elmer's but the G word. People must have bought it by the gallon for affixing wallpaper at times. And the A word has to be used for the vinyl stuff.

Trust me, I have seen it, a lot, also super glue, even contact cement and construction adhesive. VOV was used because people did not throughly read the label. Which did say to use it OVER top of vinyl paper. People missed the over part and applied it directly to the wall

Lots of times

and ,yes , removing silicon is a much worse job
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I have to admit at times I've used words that started with neither a G or an A..

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Trust me, I have seen it, a lot, also super glue
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I guess I should say nothing surprises me anymore, but it does.
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I have seen super glue on seams, countless times.
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Me too. And as mentioned Elmer's and carpernter's wood working glues, and even expanding Guerilla Glue foam glue!
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I have seen staples also
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I have seen staples also
I actually do not mind staples, push pins, nails, real framing hooks, railroad spikes, or anything that makes a hole in a wall. I can fix holes in walls so you never knew they were there.

It's when you start using things like magic transparent tape, or the worst on the planet, those hideous 3M hook things that promise to leave no residue. Just try to prime or paint over that non-residue!!!!

My gallery clients used to use tiny bits of that clay stuff that sells for all of $1.20 in a little package to attach non-invasive labels about price next to art.

"Would you please just toss it away when done if you must use it?!!!! Or use the little mini-staple thing I found you that shoots tiny invisible nylon staples/pins?"

But of course not. They would take it off the walls after exhibitions and sometimes having sold $80K worth of art? Wad it up in a ball and re-use it. The entire wall, after a time, ended up with worse acne from the oils trapped in the stuff than I suffered all my life. And you had to prime and paint over it. Some owners did not like me using alkyd or BIN type primers.

"They stink!"

Make holes. Never, ever use tape, glue or adhesive on a wall. Please use paste for wallpaper.
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I actually do not mind staples, push pins, nails, real framing hooks, railroad spikes, or anything that makes a hole in a wall. I can fix holes in walls so you never knew they were there.

It's when you start using things like magic transparent tape, or the worst on the planet, those hideous 3M hook things that promise to leave no residue. Just try to prime or paint over that non-residue!!!!

My gallery clients used to use tiny bits of that clay stuff that sells for all of $1.20 in a little package to attach non-invasive labels about price next to art.

"Would you please just toss it away when done if you must use it?!!!! Or use the little mini-staple thing I found you that shoots tiny invisible nylon staples/pins?"

But of course not. They would take it off the walls after exhibitions and sometimes having sold $80K worth of art? Wad it up in a ball and re-use it. The entire wall, after a time, ended up with worse acne from the oils trapped in the stuff than I suffered all my life. And you had to prime and paint over it. Some owners did not like me using alkyd or BIN type primers.

"They stink!"

Make holes. Never, ever use tape, glue or adhesive on a wall. Please use paste for wallpaper.


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