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Old 05-30-2012, 10:54 AM   #1
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I have painted my steps and the paint is peeling. i am stripping them and sanding but all of the paint is not coming off. can I put a solid stain or do i have to use paint again?

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Remove peeling paint( one way or the other) sand smooth, clean,PRIME, paint.

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I actually would clean and get rid of peeling paint as suggested but then use a quality paint store porch and floor/patio paint--oil based with urethane reinforcement or water-based with epoxy reinforcement--- like that from Benjamin Moore. No primer is used under such paints.
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I have been having problems with no-prime paint..
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You are having trouble with stain or floor, porch and patio paint. Two different animals.

OP. What material are you painting by the way. Wood or concrete.
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You are having trouble with stain or floor, porch and patio paint. Two different animals.

OP. What material are you painting by the way. Wood or concrete.
You are right, the PPG product is a stain. Weird how it peels like paint. I guess since it is a stain I can't just re-stain like I could re-paint.
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You are right, the PPG product is a stain. Weird how it peels like paint. I guess since it is a stain I can't just re-stain like I could re-paint.
Actually the process is more or less the same. Remove any loose and flaking pigment. Clean thoroughly. Condition appropriately. Then apply a couple coats of finish. With stain or porch, floor and patio paint you usually do not use a primer. The more pigment in the stain (e.g. solid stain) the more likely the surface is to flake over time.

I am not a big fan of using solid color stains on decks or even porch and patio paint on concrete that receives a lot of direct UV exposure. I would not use paint of any kind on a deck---only a t&g porch outside. With either, you have to plan on regular maintenance. You will still need to re-stain periodically but semi-transparent stains are, IMO, a better choice for exposed horizontal wood surfaces. And concrete stains can be quite beautiful if handled with some creativity. They are drop dead gorgeous if polished after staining.

All that said, in restoring antique homes the covered porches and verandas were historically painted and I repainted them without worrying too much. Quality paint store, not box store, porch, floor and patio paints have either urethane (in oil based products) or epoxy (in water based products or even a silicone/epoxy) to reinforce the film surface. The reinforcement is not unlike clear coats applied to interior wood floors. Solid stains do not.

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Whatever you do, follow the printed instructions on the label. You may need to etch the concrete after it is stripped, if you have slick, polished concrete. Look for a concrete etching solution at your paint dealer.

Most porch & Patio paints will instruct you to thin the first coat for better penetration and use two coats, unthinned, over that. Unless specifically made for the purpose, primers are not made to withstand foot traffic.

And with all this being said, remember: Don't let your expectations exceeeed the performance ability of the coating. A horizontal application will fail quicker than a vertical one.

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