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Old 02-25-2012, 03:17 PM   #16
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I have just read your reply and why would you want to use : PVA = (polyvinyl acetate)! Basically they put a resin into the primer. Resins don't mix well when top coated by a latex paint. It's like throwing some paint on a piece of plastic.

You want the paint to stick to the wall right?

This is what I am getting at.

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I have just read your reply and why would you want to use : PVA = (polyvinyl acetate)! Basically they put a resin into the primer. Resins don't mix well when top coated by a latex paint. It's like throwing some paint on a piece of plastic.

You want the paint to stick to the wall right?

This is what I am getting at.
John...

You read Braniks post...not mine. In MY post, I recommended using a PVA primer. All the paint manufacturers that have been mentioned on this post have, and recommend, a PVA primer for bare drywall. The link on primers given to you on Braniks post, recommended PVA primer on bare drywall. At some point, you're gonna have to stop and ask yourself this question: If every multi-billion dollar, multi-national paint manufacturer in the world makes, and recommends a PVA primer for bare drywall - AND virtually every single regional manufacturer makes, and recommends, a PVA primer for bare drywall, is it really that far of a stretch to believe it may be OK to actually use a PVA primer on bare drywall?

In MY post (post #8), I told you the advantages and disadvantages of both the premium primers and PVA primers. I also addressed the issue of "plastic" resins and how they relate to each other. Personally, I couldn't care less if you use PVA or the more expensive "multi-purpose" primers. Either will work fine in your application - and either way would be supported by any manufacturer on the planet! Your Ben Moore guy is right there - he is there to answer your almost endless line of questions and to make the proper recommendations. Trust him, you've already got way more info than necessary to make a good selection - in the overall scope of things, this really ain't rocket surgery.
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Can anyone tell me about Muralo Paint?

I see there is a store not to far from me and I would like to know if anyone has used this paint and what you think about their paint.
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It's very good. But you seem to have lots of qs- do you listen to any of the A's?
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It's very good. But you seem to have lots of qs- do you listen to any of the A's?

You bet you life I do.

How wood you compare Benjamin Moore paint with Muralo?

Price wise and the whole 9 yards?
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At this point, nhoj, you may want to buy a quart of several of the primers and a quart of each of the paints you are considering and try them out. No better way to see what works for you. I love SW paint, but many guys on here love Benny Moore, etc.

P.S. You would already be done with this paint project if you didn't ask SO MANY questions, lol.
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I live in alaska and, I have build a cabin by a lake, I have used green board all thru out the cabin. I am now ready to paint. Any succession on primer for moisture and a finish paint companies.

I will be going up in the winter so I will have to deal with moisture, that is why I when with green board.

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Just to be clear here PVA is a drywall sealer. it seals the wall so that the topcoats will look uniform in sheen without flashing. A PVA is not a primer used for trim but for drywall it is made for.

So essentially go like this.

Ceilings:
One coat of drywall sealer topcoat with dead flat

Trim:
putty your moldings then one coat of water based primer (tinted if not white) such as 123, sand, caulk trim, let dry, look for flaws, fix flaws, two topcoats of a quality trim paint from any paint store such as BM, SW or PPG.


Walls:
one coat of tinted to color drywall primer, fix any flaws, spot prime repairs or flaws with the sealer, then two or three topcoats depending on sheen and color but two is normal. Sand in between coats.

Paint base and or shoe after walls are finished.

Now some may argue the technique or sequence but this is the gist to painting your basement. With painting it is practice and comfort the more practice you get the more comfortable you are and the more you get used to products the more comfortable you are.

Glad you found your way to this site. Post some before and after pics.
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You bet you life I do.

How wood you compare Benjamin Moore paint with Muralo?

Price wise and the whole 9 yards?

Just pick one and paint . You should have been done by now
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Whew, I'm tired. This is an exhausting read.
Bran, thanks for the link to that article, a good read and bookmark. I don't understand why you put "Resins don't mix well when top coated by a latex paint" in your post. Resins are the major componenet of all primers, if I'm not mistaken. From my experience all standard primers, meaning non-high tech, latex or oil, will accept a latex or oil topcoat. I think your statement would easily confuse a newbie, because I was as well. That said, nhoj, even with Braniks "disclaimer", how you came away with the fact that PVA primers aren't a good choice is pretty amazing, especially if you read the article. I hope you did. The object here is to learn, not be held by the hand and be told what to do and how. Trust the process and don't complicate things.
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There is no other company that I will go with but Muralo Paint thanks to ric knows paint. I have been reading and there is no other company that I have seen done more R & D on their development of paint.

Thank God we have a store near by that handles their paint. I will be giving them a call on Monday and asking them about their paint. I understand that they do have a new line of super strength colorants. Muralo's Ultra Waterborne finishes tinted with Hide it super strength colorants deliver maxium color performance, achieving true, vivid color, with a minimal number of coats. No priming is required.

Through all my questioning yesterday there was only one that mentioned Muralo Paint, thank-you ric knows paint.

Thank-You all for your input in this, if one does not ask questions there will always be unanswered questions.

You are free to make any other comments and this will lead into more understand of paints and primers.

I really would like to hear from peop[le who have used Muralo Paints to get your freed back on their products.
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Congrats on your selection of Muralo, however, I would argue that the Sherwin-Williams company has done more research and refinement with paint than all other paint companies combined. They've been in business for over 150 years & if you've toured their research facility in Cleveland, you would be blown away.

P.S. The reason many of us do not mention Muralo is because their paint products aren't found all across the country.

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Do you really care?
If I might speak for Gymschu, yes. A nice before and after picture that reflects your beautiful work helps to offset our loss of hair incurred in getting there.
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If I might speak for Gymschu, yes. A nice before and after picture that reflects your beautiful work helps to offset our loss of hair incurred in getting there.
I never took a picture of the before but I will get one of the after.

The remarks of these two was not wroth the time to take them.

When someone want to learn and you have 2 guys making fun of what you really want to know and learn is it wroth doing?

I understood that this is where you can learn thing from the pro's is it.
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As far as primers go, every manufacturer listed in this post has a PVA primer they recommend for bare drywall - they work fine. They are generally a reasonably priced, moderately high build primer that does a good job sealing the porosity of drywall and they have good hold-out for quality finishes. All latex products (acrylics, vinyls, PVA and any number of blends) are forms of plastic resin. PVA's are compatible with all conventional topcoats (not hot-solvent topcoats, but you're not gonna use those in your basement anyway).
Gonna have to disagree with you here as well as a lot of us will. PVA primers are far from any kind of a high build primer. You get a feel for how a surface should be after a coat of primer, then the first coat of paint and then the second. After using PVA primer, your first coat of paint will be much like the initial coat of primer. PVA does a piss-poor job of sealing the surface and preparing it for paint.

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