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Old 03-11-2009, 09:17 PM   #1
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I have a home i bought and in a room it has a black paint on walls and ceiling =looks thick(unsure what type paint it is )..will the basic primer bleed at all after application?And will it take at least 2 coats .Also is the water based ok if i dont know what paint it is or does oil based work better over black?
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Old 03-12-2009, 02:38 PM   #2
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Odds are it is latex, but to be safe I would recommend a good oil based primer. You don't want to just put latex paint over oil. Zinsser Cover Stain is the most recommended one on this site. Have them tint the primer to whatever your wall color is going to be. The stuff can be stinky, so do it before everyone moves in. Then you can topcoat with whatever you want, but stick with a quality paint and you may be able to cover it with just the primer and one coat of paint.

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Two coats latex PrepRite from Sherwin Williams
(Maybe only one if you get it right)
It can go on like glue, but it works well
I have used it over black in cases like this with great success
It won't be solid white after app.
But it'll be good enough for two coats white or any other color when you're done priming

I have managed to get a black ceiling back to white after two coats PreRite and one coat (Ben Moore's high hiding ceiling paint) Muresco
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thanks...i was going to use the zinser primer oil based 2 coats but wondered if tinting made a difference .i will be using a light coat like beige/cream...can u put latex over the oil based with no trouble?
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No need to tint in this case
Though if you want, it couldn't hurt
You can topcoat latex over an oil primer with no trouble
(latex over oil topcoats however, is a no-no)
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Tinted primer is only necessary with deep bases. With pastel/white base, you have all the hide you need just in the topcoats.

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keep in mind Zinsser, as well as others, make Odorless Oil based primers which would solve the smell issue. Although, in this case, I really don't see any reason to use an oil based primer. 1-2-3, aqua lock, fresh start, and I'm sure the SW product will all work well and stick to an oil based coating - although I highly doubt that is what's there - then again I can't see anyone painting a ceiling black so anything goes at this point =). If there was a smoker living there previously which could leave nicotine residue, then I would stick with the oil. If not, I really think the latex would be fine. If you want to play it safe use a cheap sponge mop to wash down the area, let dry, and prime away!
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He mentioned it looked thick, so I kinda assumed he meant glossy. I would still be hesitant on putting any latex primer over glossy oil. If your top color will be beige/cream then white primer will be fine.

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