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Old 04-09-2010, 05:25 PM   #16
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The Original Kilz might work on lesser stains and odors
...much lesser

This is a job for BIN
You think anyone is listening??

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Old 04-09-2010, 08:59 PM   #17
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MAB Paints oil based lok-tite is great for smoke stains , but the odor is bad too...close to bin's. lol
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Perhaps 1handyLady could explain to us what she means by "ammoina (methyl hydrate)"...

I am positive we'll learn something.
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Perhaps 1handyLady could explain to us what she means by "ammoina (methyl hydrate)"...

I am positive we'll learn something.

Ya think???
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Old 04-11-2010, 06:16 AM   #20
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Thanks everyone again. I have not closed on the house as of yet. So my access is limited of course.
I do not know if the yellow will clean off of the walls or not.
I am interested in the cleaning detail so i will start a new post on that.
I do plan on spraying the house. It will be much faster.
Of course money is always an issue but I do not want to do it twice. Hence the post.
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Cigarette smoke has, what? some 100 different chemcial compounds in it something like that, some of which land on your walls and ceilings. Some are water-soluble and some aren't. The water-soluble ones dissolved in the humid air that sat in your house for the nine months, the ones that aren;t soluble in water just sat there, probably turning dark yellow and starting to smell over time as many organic chemical compounds do. To say nothing of bacterial action, whatever that may be...

So washing the surfaces with a water-based solution of a soap or TSP will definitely be required if your objective is to remove the odour. You won't get all of it but most of it - probably enough so that the treatment you select afterwards will be more effective - but each case is different as are personal tolerances. But consider this: if you leave some dark yellow, oily residue on the cleaned surface (because you did a good job removing the water-soluble residues) and painted over that with an oil-based paint, with time that spot will show through because the spot dissolved in the oil carrier.

Same argument applies to water-based stains. Say you didn't even bother to wash it and just applied a latex paint...well, in due course the water-soluble parts of the stain will show through, probably the oily stains too.

So what's needed? You need to grab these molecules and surround them in a hard shell that neihter water nor oil will get through: ie shellac. That'e why BIN works in this situation and an oil-based paint won't. Again, these are tolerances involved here so to each his own.

But ask yourself what a professional do, one who is paid to take care of that problem and not want to risk his reputation on what? a poll or hearsay from cousin Vinny down the road?

Now taking care of the odour is somewhat the same idea. The odour molecules (of which there are dozens) can each be treated individually - but at what cost? In an empty house a good ozone treatment might work but here again there's nothing like neutralizing all those molecules in a shellac shell. Again, take your lead from professional fire and smoke restoration guys and see what they would use...
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Bin is really the best way to go. It will form a vapor barrier to seal odors which the oil based products will not! Why chance having the place smell like a dirty ashtray??

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When some tennants moved out of a rental the fleas and urine smell was terrible, we scrubbed and scrubbed and each day set off several flea bombs when we left. Used genuine T.S.P. We did this every couple days for two weeks. Still smelled, then I decided to wash the ceiling in the laundry room. That took care of the smell immediately. So you know what they had done. Evicted for non-payment of rent.

Selling my mother's house: nicotine on floor to ceiling 10' high windows on most of the exterior walls and everything else, I spent hours on one small glass area and accomplished smearing it. It was like a plastic film epoxied on there. When she moved out the stench of cigarettes was unbearable and made my eyes red and watery. We had the windows cleaned, walls washed and painted, everywhere including closets. Didn't help. Had the carpet shampooed, didn't help. Had the drapes removed and cleaned, didn't help. We had the realtor get a non-smoker to go in there after each cleaning to check.
Open beam ceilings--had them cleaned and painted.
Next couple in the house bought it.


Get some help and remove as much as you can before sealing and don't forget the ceilings. Mixing chemicals can be deadly--don't do it.
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Thanks gailquilter,
Check my post out further down. diff topic same thread. I have some pics of the nicotine dripping down the wall. Unfortunatley the ceiling is textured. It is the half swipe trowel look. Not sure what it's called but not sure how to clean it either. I won't be able to wipe it very well.
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Sounds like your texture is "Spanish knife" or similar. Clean it the best you can with a large coarse sponge and TSP. BIN will seal in the the little bit you can't get.
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Bushman,
I found your pictures by clicking on your name and looking at other posts.
I have no idea about the white stuff but I think you better have it tested before you move in there.
What does it feel like? Gypsum? I cannot imagine what else would be white. Why wasn't it discolored with the nicotine?
If the walls are too hard to clean and if you are strong enough(I'm not) to pick up a sheet of drywall you could replace the walls, fix insulation, put in a vapor barrier, rewire anything you wanted like tv, telephone and elec, and start fresh. If you can do all that and mud, it wouldn't cost much. Depends on how many rooms I suppose and how much time you have. Doing the mud is actually fun.

Are you going to live there? I worry about the nicotine and you breathing it.
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Unfortunatley the ceiling is textured. It is the half swipe trowel look. Not sure what it's called but not sure how to clean it either. I won't be able to wipe it very well.
But you can paint it. They make a special roller brush for it, very lumpy roller brush.
Personally, I'd spray it. Maybe you said you'd spray it before.

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