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Old 04-04-2010, 06:42 AM   #1
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Hi all,
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The house I am purchasing has interior walls and ceilings that are coated in yellow nicotine stains. The house sat vacant for 9 months. Apparently there was some interior condensate that built up on the walls and caused little yellow rivers of nicotine to flow down the walls. The carpets stink to high heaven from the prev. owners dogs. One room has dog poo still stuck in the carpet.I plan on washing walls and ceilings and removing carpet. Once this is done I am going to tape off the windows and such and spray the whole house top to bottom with oil based Kilz. Including floors. Anyone have any better solutions?

My goal is to permanantley hide nicotine and eliminate dog smell.

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I'm pretty sure you're going to want to wash the surfaces, most probably the guys here will recommend TSP and perhaps even heavier ammo to fight the nic. staining. The smells are a different story....

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sounds like a good plan.

Nicotine stains can be very tough to clean and paint to cover.

On heavy nicotined walls consider adding a chem sponge to the cleaning arsonal. And read the Kilz label... 2% stain burn through possible. I like to 2 coat kilz on the heavy stained walls and trim at least.

Consider flat finish on the walls ... easy touch up if you do get burn through... area spot paint with kilz... and then flat paint to blend.

Hint: you can get the kilz tinted to your wall color.

PS. pull the carpet and tackless 1st...cross contamination thing...to start the odor battle... you may need to spot treat the subfloor.

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Sherwin Williams White Pigmented Shellac Primer

I pasted this from the SW site.

A favorite for fire restoration work, White Pigmented Shellac Primer blocks stubborn stains caused by fires, floods and pets as well as imbedded cooking and cigar smoke odors. Its our highest performing primer for permanently sealing out the toughest stains and odors in one coat.

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Sherwin Williams White Pigmented Shellac Primer

I pasted this from the SW site.

A favorite for fire restoration work, White Pigmented Shellac Primer blocks stubborn stains caused by fires, floods and pets as well as imbedded cooking and cigar smoke odors. Its our highest performing primer for permanently sealing out the toughest stains and odors in one coat.

Good Luck.
That or BIN, forget the Kilz, it will not work as well as a shellac based primer
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Kills for the win. Take off carpet, and all else, and spray everything.

I am currently doing a remodel where freakin pigs lived. I don't know how the bank approved a loan on that dump. "I swear, I think that is isht on the walls, 5 feet off the floor" type of house. Every time I would walk in I felt squishing dog, maybe human #2 and urine under the carpet and my boots. I actually couldn't hold it in when I opened the fridge that they left, barf. My guys wouldn't do the demo. Had to hire day laborers to get it going.

Kills, 2 coats, top to bottom took care of it proper.

oh, don't use the odor-less one. Get the one that stinks, its oil based.
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That or BIN, forget the Kilz, it will not work as well as a shellac based primer
As a former union painter I will second BIN as the best. Now I will also add that a primer /sealer is meant to seal not to cover. It will stop the nicotene from permeating your surface paint as well as eliminate the smell. Good luck.
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Kills for the win. Take off carpet, and all else, and spray everything.

I am currently doing a remodel where freakin pigs lived. I don't know how the bank approved a loan on that dump. "I swear, I think that is isht on the walls, 5 feet off the floor" type of house. Every time I would walk in I felt squishing dog, maybe human #2 and urine under the carpet and my boots. I actually couldn't hold it in when I opened the fridge that they left, barf. My guys wouldn't do the demo. Had to hire day laborers to get it going.

Kills, 2 coats, top to bottom took care of it proper.

oh, don't use the odor-less one. Get the one that stinks, its oil based.
The Kilz oil based(original ) is fine for some jobs. This one would require Bin, or a comparable shellac based primer, oil will not do an adequate job,IMO
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Thanks everyone for your input. I will have to compare Bin vs Kilz.
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There IS NO comparison
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Also something to consider would be Zinssers Oil based Odorless Primer, A lot like BIN but in fact can
also be used a a ceiling flat, so you are killing to birds with one stone. This product is also a fantastic stain
killer without the horrible smell. Also keep in mind that if you use the BIN it does not clean up like a traditional oil base, you need to use ammonia (Methyl Hydrate).
Always use TSP first to clean, or you can find phosphate free alternative at you local hardware store,
never use soap and water.
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Really sorry to see the OP's question devolved into a Zin-Bin VS Kitz debate.

Many types of Zinsser & Kilz product are available. Zinsser is a great product ... the best ... but, may dry so hard it might require a primer to get good paint adhesion.

[OP could not post enough pictures, or describe in enough detail.. the real needs of this project...
One would need to bow to experienced eyes and hands on to make the best call.]

Over many years, of doing fire/water + Insured loss restoration (Get it right the first time, because there is no second chance), I have bought many hundreds of gallons of each... Bin, kilz & bullseye...etc... The right product for the specific needs of the project...


What to use was left up to the 3rd generation paint superintendent, crew chief, Forman, key employee that also had A+++ customer relation skills... 2/8 of a good paint job... proper prep...4/8... the right finish work and quality paint 2/8... = very happy clients.

OP for best advice... give it your very best cleaning effort... (We loved
Very hot water & spic'n span...)

OIL based is recommended:
BIN can be higher dollar than the kilz... Get some knowing eyes to look and feel to advise what is best for your needs.

Good luck... I hope this helps with perspectives and is informative rather than confusing.
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Also something to consider would be Zinssers Oil based Odorless Primer, A lot like BIN but in fact can
also be used a a ceiling flat, so you are killing to birds with one stone. This product is also a fantastic stain
killer without the horrible smell. Also keep in mind that if you use the BIN it does not clean up like a traditional oil base, you need to use ammonia (Methyl Hydrate).
Always use TSP first to clean, or you can find phosphate free alternative at you local hardware store,
never use soap and water.
HAPPY PAINTING
I second the oderless oil unless you feel comfortable wearing a reperator. Both Bin and Kilz dry EXTREMELY quick so don't leave any roller lines or heavy spots thinking you can go back and smooth them out.
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Thats why I spray it.
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The Original Kilz might work on lesser stains and odors
...much lesser

This is a job for BIN

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