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Old 12-17-2009, 05:27 PM   #16
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Spackle is bad word among painters. You could use some drywall compound, wet sand it, prime and then paint over for minor dings in your woodwork.

You need to degloss even your latex glossy surfaces somehow. Sandpaper works if the paint is cured. I happen to trust etching it with chemical de-glossers more.
So, if i have satin or semi-gloss latex paint on trim/doors, I can paint the alkyd Underbody primer over it after wiping the latex with denatured alcohol? Or, does the latex need sanding/deglossing?. Or is this wrong? Is there a common household cleanser I can clean the latex with before hitting iti with alkyd primer? Sand 150 or 220 grit??

I have a 2 angled Purdy nylon sash brush and a 3 flat Purdy nylon brush.

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Old 12-17-2009, 05:41 PM   #17
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Spackle is bad word among painters. You could use some drywall compound, wet sand it, prime and then paint over for minor dings in your woodwork.
What's wrong with spackle?
Just yesterday on the forum I was advised to use MH spackle to smooth out baseboard for a quick/dirty approach
[Quick & Dirty Trim Salvage: Spackle to fill Old Chipped Paint?
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So, if i have satin or semi-gloss latex paint on trim/doors, I can paint the alkyd Underbody primer over it after wiping the latex with denatured alcohol? Or, does the latex need sanding/deglossing?. Or is this wrong? Is there a common household cleanser I can clean the latex with before hitting iti with alkyd primer? Sand 150 or 220 grit??

I have a 2 angled Purdy nylon sash brush and a 3 flat Purdy nylon brush.

If you are sure it is latex,scuff sand it, spray it with krud cutter, wipe it clean and paint.
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So, if i have satin or semi-gloss latex paint on trim/doors, I can paint the alkyd Underbody primer over it after wiping the latex with denatured alcohol? Or, does the latex need sanding/deglossing?. Or is this wrong? Is there a common household cleanser I can clean the latex with before hitting iti with alkyd primer? Sand 150 or 220 grit??

I have a 2 angled Purdy nylon sash brush and a 3 flat Purdy nylon brush.
Be careful with denatured alcohol. It can gum up real easy. We use it to remove paint. Use TSP to clean and degloss latex. Anytime you have semi gloss or satin latex enamel on walls or doors or whatever, you can scuff it up with sand paper and clean it up with tsp.

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If you are sure it is latex,scuff sand it, spray it with
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, wipe it clean and paint.
What's that??

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Yeah, it's cheap latex becuase I peled a buch of it off other doors...comes off like rubber sheets.

Can I hit it with denatured alcohol, then alkyd primer?

Converely, I do not have Krud Kutter...I have GOO GONE, would that work?
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Yeah, it's cheap latex becuase I peled a buch of it off other doors...comes off like rubber sheets.

Can I hit it with denatured alcohol, then alkyd primer?

Converely, I do not have Krud Kutter...I have GOO GONE, would that work?
If you can peel paint off in sheets, someone put latex over and oil based finish without priming with a neutralizing alkyd.
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This is getting too complex.
I need to simplify...and I need to prime tonight or I have bigger problems. Does the latex need cleaning before alkyd primer? Or, just just hit it with Impervo without cleaning or priming? TSP isn't sold in NYC. Must simplify and streamline. What about GOO GONE...I do not have Krud Kutter and if I need to go shopping, I loose tonight (I lost days to Coverstain fiasco and other stuff) and I'll have bigger problems than failing paint and a failed reno job. This must be done NOW...I need to get offline with an expedited strategy and prime immediately. I got a floor refinisher coming soon and if I do not get this primed, it means doing it after the floors are done which is sheer MADNESS given the opportunity to prime and paint then have someone strip the floors. It will be magnitudes more moving stuff, furniture, clean-up, mess, I have a great priming/paint opportunity and if I sit here trying to figure it out instead of knocking it out, I will blow it completely. I was given latitude to do this as I want by the building owner and my deadline is UP and inspections are scheduled soon by the city. I'm in hot water if I do not get this knocked out…the owner will send monkeys in and they will slop paint over all the hard stripping work and skimming I’ve done.
Guys, toss me out a solution with the products I have so I can move forward and punch this out in an (another of many in a row) all nighter. I prefer NOT to sand...dust, vacuum again, the whole enchilada....got neighbors above below on all sides and it's too much noise for late at night. At this stage, I do not need perfect, I need the best with what I have.
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...............thanks a bunch!

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DO NOT use goo gone or denatured alcahol, this will REMOVE the paint.Scruff it up , clean it with whatever, dry, paint.
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Where are you in NYC? My former Manhattan Benjamin Moore dealer carries TSP up on the Eastide. My ex significant other needed some stuff so I called the order in recently. She is on 86th Street.

Come on. You cannot live in NYC and claim you cannot get things! Anythings! For a small tip you can also have them delivered within hours or minutes. I loved that about living and working in New York.

I would worry about yourself being up too many nights and get some rest before you tackle this. Whatever project you have in mind is not going to be helped at all by a total lack of sleep.

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Well, I did just end up sanding it, vacuuming (then gave it a quick mineral spirit wipe, devil be damned).

I have a bit more to do, many many doors. Another problem is that some surfaces have a mix of paint types like a potpourri and I'm looking to keep the sanding of potential lead paint to a minimum, though it's happened here and probably with more frequency than I am comfortable with. Do not want to live out my life sleeping in a toxic waste dump.


Sdsester, I'm downtown Brooklyn, the stores I looked in claim it can't be sold in NYC and have the TSP substitute. Let me know where you buy it in Manhattan. Also, pass along your Ben Moore dealer if you recommend them. I'm using Ben Moore paint and have been using Janovich Plaza. The counter help know very little about the products. Their main LIC store has a technical help phone line with a guy named Simon who actually is very knowledgeable...wish I'd learned of him sooner. Also, do you know of any really good paint stores that carry a great variety of professional high quality brushes? I do not know of other pro stores.

Well, the sleep is due to doing the work of three men and in a short time frame, often without knowledge or experience. Lots of coffee, little sleep, poor diet, no exercise is also making me a little cranky (please forgive the tone of my previous post). Not to mention much work the owner's men have done, through cutting corners and cheapness has failed. Recently skim coating in a few rooms is cracking and delaminating just a few weeks after completion. They assured me they would use sheets of mesh under the compound but they didn't. I begged them to degloss the semi-glass painted areas, but they didn't. I told them to use bonding agent....they didn't. This means more dust, more aggravation and inconvenience.
and they are covering their but repairing these areas, but other areas will surely fail in time released intervals over the months and years to come...so much of this is for naught. But, yeah, I'm tremendously time pressured so I'm working at a furious pace.

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Well, I did just end up sanding it, vacuuming (then gave it a quick mineral spirit wipe, devil be damned).

Not really a good idea either, you would be better off just wiping down with hot water. The Tsp substitute works fine.

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