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Old 04-07-2013, 08:37 AM   #16
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sherwin williams Paint aka all the paint they make equals paints it is a english term to describe products or services. you could say benjamin moore paints or Kelly moore paints. Yes Sherwin williams makes more then one lable of paint so I.e. paints. comments like yours shows ignorance.
Correct. Good understanding of plural(s) Nailbags. Are you pretty too!
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Old 04-07-2013, 08:58 AM   #17
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To the OP I really think to prime yourself is a bad idea. Most painters have their own problem solving primers. If they would come in and see you had already primed they most likely would re-prime anyway. And to real painters priming is just part of the process and you wouldn't get any discount. So I would talk to my painter before you did it, he may work something out for you.
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Old 04-07-2013, 12:52 PM   #18
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I prefer eggshell on walls.
The current trend is toward eggshell finishes on even living room and bedroom walls, even where children, wear, or dirt aren't a concern.

Personally I prefer flat, but it's good to know what public preferences are. Fortunately, there are more sheen options now than ever before. I admit, I do like the slight sheen of matte paints in some cases over flats (Duration, Aura, etc.) And there are unique blends that different manufacturers might call "pearl", or "silk", or what have you. Those you just have to consider for yourself.

I still would use eggshell at a minimum in a bath, or in a kitchen near cooking or water (assuming there wasn't a backsplash there.)
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Old 04-07-2013, 06:29 PM   #19
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Jagans, check out what other pros think of Behr paint:
http://www.painttalk.com/f2/trick-qu...lus-flat-4672/
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Of course that thread is 4 years old - and paint manufacturers change chemistry every - what? - 6 weeks?

But that will never get in the way of good old contractor dogma. If I had an experience from 20 years ago, or someone told me something 20 years ago, then dadburnit that's just the way it is.

I don't think I've ever experienced such resistance to learning and experimenting with new techniques and materials in any other field as I have in the building trades. Could you imagine if the technology fields were as slow to improve? We wouldn't have cell phones or modems yet.

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Jeff, even though I've been in this business for nearly 34 years, I am open to any new paint, technology, technique, etc. to improve on my work. Having said that, if you find a product, technique, etc. that works CONSISTENTLY then dadburnit, I'm sticking to it. For example, I have used SW's SuperPaint for years and years. The formula has changed over and over but the quality and the consistent results are always there for me and my customers. Have I tried other products/paint Mfrs.? Sure, but not with the same consistent results. I have even been a Valspar guy for a time but only because customers insist on it. It's just not the same......the results are not consistent......sometimes gallons of paint from the same batch don't match up in color. I have even tried paint from my local hardware store with hopes of giving them some of my business, but just can't get the results that I do with SuperPaint.
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Jeff, even though I've been in this business for nearly 34 years, I am open to any new paint, technology, technique, etc. to improve on my work.
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For example, I have used SW's SuperPaint for years and years. The formula has changed over and over but the quality and the consistent results are always there for me and my customers.
That's my "go to" wall and trim paint as well.
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The non sequiturs on this forum never cease to amaze.

My "attack" was about as non-personal as it gets. "The trades" is about as large a segment of the working force as you're going to find.
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I have used SW's SuperPaint for years and years. The formula has changed over and over but the quality and the consistent results are always there for me and my customers.
Gymschu, when I was in the trade we used thousands of gallons of SuperPaint interior product. One of the least troublesome coatings I had the pleasure to work with. Sprayed and, more importantly (to me anyway) brushed beautfully. I could really move with that stuff, and know it was going to lay down nicely, and not run or sag. I will admit, though, that I just last week painted my laundry room with 2 coats of SuperPaint semi-gloss, and it seemed as if it didn't lay down quite as nicely on the trim and cabinets as I remember from the past. It's been a few years since I retired, though, and it could just be that I'm getting old. :D

We also used a lot of Benjamin Moore. I liked their Regal Wall Satin and their contractors grade eggshel, which we used a bunch of in hospital work (low odor, touched-up beautifully).

Two paints we used LOTS of, but which aren't around anymore, were Fuller-O'brien's AA enamel (latex) and their Weather King exterior product. That AA could be hard for some guys to spray, but it brushed like a quality dosed-up alkyd. Unfortunately, ICI bought out Fuller-O'brien and immediately reformulated (and ruined) the AA product. The Weather King is still available under the Glidden "Fortis" line (the exterior trim on my place is Fortis 450).

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I have even been a Valspar guy for a time but only because customers insist on it. It's just not the same......the results are not consistent......sometimes gallons of paint from the same batch don't match up in color.
I'm glad to read your take on the Valspar products; I just recently helped a friend re-paint the interior of his condo, and we used Valspar flat on the walls, and satin on the trim. I was actually impressed with how it applied, but I've not used enough to run in to the issues you describe. I also don't know about its color retention/durabiity over the long haul.

Anyway...I'm new around these parts, but I had to chime in.

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Clambake since all the craze with the low and o voc these newer paints are certainly applying quite a bit differently. Sometimes it gets down to where they are doing weird things when applied to some old products.
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Clambake since all the craze with the low and o voc these newer paints are certainly applying quite a bit differently. Sometimes it gets down to where they are doing weird things when applied to some old products.
I hear ya, ToolSeeker. Here in the SF Bay Area painters have been dealing with increasingly stricter voc regs for years. First they took our good alkyds away (or re-packaged them for "Industrial" use only ), then they started in on the lacquers.

I was amazed when I went into a SW store the other day for a gallon of their Kitchen and Bath Paint: they had just discontinued the product due to another round of changes in the regs.; also, no lacquer thinner, or decent oil-based primers. The rep told me the guys don't really use lacquer around here anymore, but have gone to quick-dry polyurethanes, and 2-part conversion varnishes.

I picked up a gallon of re-formulated CoverStain for some work on my in-laws place, and it seems that they've ruined that product, too (and it used to be an old standby around here).

Now I'm sounding like an old codger...

Ah well, less toxic coatings for painters is a good thing, as long as they give ya products that work. learning to use constantly reformulated products keeps ya on yer toes, I suppose.
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learning to use constantly reformulated products keeps ya on yer toes, I suppose.
That's the major downside to advancing technology. Try working in the software industry sometime.... 40 hrs of actual work per week and 20 hrs for new study was common....

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