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Old 03-14-2010, 12:06 PM   #16
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Ive haven't used 'ben" so I don't have an opinion on it. I have used alot of other Ben Moore products (including Regal) for years when I was in another state & was always very happy with it. The only problem I have with BM in my area at present is its way overpriced in my opinion (185.00 + for a five contractor price) even with a contractor discount.
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How do you feel about BM's "ben" and how does it compare to Regal. The Regal is 100% acrylic and the ben is blended.
I painted most of my house in Regal and liked it a lot.

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Old 03-14-2010, 05:28 PM   #17
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Ive haven't used 'ben" so I don't have an opinion on it. I have used alot of other Ben Moore products (including Regal) for years when I was in another state & was always very happy with it. The only problem I have with BM in my area at present is its way overpriced in my opinion (185.00 + for a five contractor price) even with a contractor discount.

I agree BM has become way too expensive. I have for the most part gone over to Pittsburgh paint or my old standby Duron, which I am fortunate enough to still have available.
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Which pittsburgh paint do you use for your interior walls?
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Old 03-15-2010, 02:59 AM   #19
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Old 04-03-2010, 05:39 PM   #20
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I guess some of the newer nano tech polymers offer some hope but neither SW and Ben Moore offer such things yet. And Behr primer/paint in one is absolute crap and should not be used in any space to be inhabited by humans, pets, insect or mammal pests, or even single cell organisms!
I'm new to paint and want to know why you're so against Behr? I've been told by friends and family who own their houses, painted them and helped others that behr is pretty decent stuff for the price...honestly I think it's pretty expensive, but my last paint job was over 10 yrs ago.
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There's no product or service that has been so dumped upon than Behr paint; for evidence, search "behr" and take an hour or so to read the 150-odd posts (from one thread) from dozens of people who don't like Behr paints. From pros who know the difference to homeowners that don't, everyone has something to say about it, but the majority is detrimental. So, who are you going to ask and get answers from?

Coincidence? Nope. I think the consensus is that it is a good paint for $10/gallon, so in line with Walmart grades, but not at $30...for that money, you'd get a good SherwinWilliams or a Benjamin Moore or other good brands that will deliver better results over time.

Unfortunately, for most people who paint, 'time' is only defined by the present - so you see a coloured wall, it looks OK to your untrained eye, so you pat yourself on the back for having picked a Behr paint - despite the advanced warning. Your wallet, meantime, cringes....

That's your sole criteria - but not the paint's. You will have long forgotten this discussion in 5-10 years from now when you have to do it again. For most, they can live with mediocre results, so this discussion becomes moot.

Personally, I don't have time to redo what I have already done once with bad equipment; I go for the best results the first time and do it right.
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Old 04-04-2010, 06:33 PM   #22
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There's no product or service that has been so dumped upon than Behr paint; for evidence, search "behr" and take an hour or so to read the 150-odd posts (from one thread) from dozens of people who don't like Behr paints. From pros who know the difference to homeowners that don't, everyone has something to say about it, but the majority is detrimental. So, who are you going to ask and get answers from?

Coincidence? Nope. I think the consensus is that it is a good paint for $10/gallon, so in line with Walmart grades, but not at $30...for that money, you'd get a good SherwinWilliams or a Benjamin Moore or other good brands that will deliver better results over time.

Unfortunately, for most people who paint, 'time' is only defined by the present - so you see a coloured wall, it looks OK to your untrained eye, so you pat yourself on the back for having picked a Behr paint - despite the advanced warning. Your wallet, meantime, cringes....

That's your sole criteria - but not the paint's. You will have long forgotten this discussion in 5-10 years from now when you have to do it again. For most, they can live with mediocre results, so this discussion becomes moot.

Personally, I don't have time to redo what I have already done once with bad equipment; I go for the best results the first time and do it right.

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I do notice that the paint is very thick, but still doesn't cover to my satisfaction; it leaves the wall looking "tacky", a small bit textured and the original wall color shows through. My sister gave me a can of kills primer and I'm hoping that will help with the lack of covering.

The next time I get paint, I'll try the SW that you suggest.
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Yeah, heard that all before...lack of coverage and incomparable thickness.

And there's one area that the better paints excel in: 'flow'. I don't want to go into the technicalites of thickening paint but it's a big issue that goes to the ability of the paint layer to coalesce into a film.

You can thicken paint all sorts of ways... mainly in order to prevent paint splatter - but the best paints flow smoothly at lesser viscosities so IMO, thickness doesn't make a difference. This is not a shampoo we're talking about - but some companies peddle the "thicker-the-better" concept for people who espouse that theory.

It may be part of the sales process; you know, "employee opens the can, mixes it with a wooden stick, shows the customer how thick the paint is, marvels over it, says: See the quality?, gets paid" etc etc - but in the real world of applying paint to a surface, there's a lot more to it than that.

As for lack of coverage, that's another "moon-gotcha"...all of a sudden your cost to cover one square foot has gone up by, what, 25%, 50%, 100%? Now you're looking for a primer, so how efficient is your overall process of covering your wall?

Primers don't 'hide'. Paints hide better than primers, so if you're already done painting one coat, paingt another coat. Primers are only to promote better adhesion in "iffy" situations; to hide better, repent - then repaint.


Can you imagine hiring a professional painter (instead of DIYing it), and this nonsense happened to him...would he look cool or not? what would you pay him? would he be in business a year from now?
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in other words, if you apply a second coat, it finally gets covered but you run out of paint before the room is done, learn and move on, go to a store specializing in paint and get something other than what home depot/lowes carries. gotcha. I wonder if I can get my money back for poor performance.
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Yup, you caught the drift OK. Look, I'm not knocking what HD and Lowes do in life, it's just that paint is a high-profit item for these big box stores and so they use predatory marketing practices to ensnare unwitting customers into buying their paint, at their price.

Paint quality is not something you can see or feel or smell; it's a delayed reaction-thing - either days, weeks months or years...so their liability goes way down once you've paid for it.

Also, their "pricing" is not a reflective factor as in most things. They sell paint at just below SherwinW or BenjaminM pricing because that's the value benchmark that most painters have in their minds. Probably something like $35 a gallon; in fact, using that thinking, the higher price the bettter people feel about buying it. Nothing to do with the quality inside...

So for $32, you get a gallon a paint in lots and lots of colours, so many so as to ensure that no paint buyer will leave the store without a can in his hand due to a colour not being available. For the average box store buyer this can will do; it'll apply like a paint, with tools that you paint with, in the colour selected. Voila new walls! So what that it spatters, so what that it needed two or maybe three coats, so what if it doesn't look perfect. It did the trick. Because that's all the painting the average buyer will do in the next 5 years and by then they will have forgotten the experience and/or won't use any other paint.

The fact is - that as paints go - Behr IMO is a $10 a gallon paint - and probably is. Made to order by millions of gallons, made cheap. Priced to pay for the overhead lights and heating of the average store for a year.

Real painters don't buy there a second time. Wonder why.

So, the advice you'll find on this and other bboards is indeed, go to a real paint store, tell them what you're doing and let them woo you with their expertise...they'll have a product to meet your budget. You may just bump into a painting pro buying his regular supplies there too. Pick up a card or two just in case.
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It's $10 a gallon paint as long as it doesn't sag, like it does A LOT, then it $1 a gallon paint because it does come in those cool plastic cans.
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So I didn't return the paint, I made up with it and have found a technique (includes patience and two coats of paint among other things) to make it better. However...another room I'm about to work on has texture to it. I recently found out I'm expecting, so I can't happily sand away to the wallboard. If I sand only to smooth down peaks is there a way to fill in valley's to make the wall even? (looks like crinkled paper) What type of filler would I use and where can I find it?
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I am sorry but I think it is 99 percent marketing hype and that unwitting consumers will be very disappointed. Paint companies have been offering one coat coverage for ages and I guess if you do not care what the finished job looks like....

I am not about to tell my clients I am going to use self-priming products just yet or that they are for a moment real. Of course I am not out to gouge them and will jump at such things when proven, in a heartbeat.

I guess some of the newer nano tech polymers offer some hope but neither SW and Ben Moore offer such things yet. And Behr primer/paint in one is absolute crap and should not be used in any space to be inhabited by humans, pets, insect or mammal pests, or even single cell organisms!
i really agree with this. i'm a new homeowner so the latex game is one i'm learning. however, i have painted more than a few cars which are much more difficult than your average house project. i don't see how the chemistry could exist to make a real one coat, it just isn't possible. i also hate behr paints. my first experience painting latex was buying a gallon of behr and a gallon of valspar. long story short the valspar went down with better coverage BUT the real difference was the dried color. much much more rich pigment. that behr stuff just sucks, tried two colors, both just did not snap when you looked at them. as big store paint goes im a valspar fan, also like their automotive paint. ill probably try sherwin williams before long. not a big fan of their business model though. keeping a store that size open and only selling paint isn't as profitable as a section in lowes doing the same. my worry with private label is higher mark up margin means im paying more for a similar product or a lot more for a better one.

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