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Old 11-26-2012, 05:06 PM   #16
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Just read your comment about having veneers on the fronts of things. Use 120 grit like Chris suggests to scruff up the surfaces and nothing more coarse or you could start chewing up the veneers by the time you get the scratches out.

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Just a friendly reminder to those who use TSP. Be sure to rinse well. Zinsser says do not use TSP prior to applying their products, and they do so because improper rinsing has been causing bonding issues with their coatings. Dirtex doesn't have phosphates so it doesn't need rinsing. The downside to Dirtex is that it doesn't etch, dull sheens, in prep for painting.
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..and there are some pretty good no rinse tsp substitutes too.
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..and there are some pretty good no rinse tsp substitutes too.
Yes, but do they etch? I couldn't find that info on the quick search I did.
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how far south east of Maryland are you?

I am going to jump in here
You DO need to sand everything after cleaning.
Forget the deglosser
Clean with Dirtex
Lightly sand all surfaces with 120 grit paper
Apply a quality bonding primer( Cover Stain, Zinnser 123),Bin would be over kill
Apply 2 finish coats
... also take doors off and number all the hardware.set up a table and paint flat . i like a good purdy brush at least 2 1/2, i like a 3 inch brush ,cover stain primer and let dry over night,very light sand between all coats of primer and paint . im a s/w guy and for this i like pro classic warter bourn acrillic .for a pro these cabnets are a peice of cake ,for a diyer if you take your time you can make them look very good
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Yes, but do they etch? I couldn't find that info on the quick search I did.

Yes- I've used several and they do cut into the finish. You can feel it pull on the rag.
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Thanks for all of the responses. Lots of good information here. Since there has been some discussion regarding which paint/primer/etcher(?) to use or not use or rinse, etc, I am a bit confused. Hopefully my inexperience isn't too annoying, but what is the overall consensus of which products/process will produce the best results?

To ltd: Thanks for the additional info. As for the hardware, I'll be replacing all.

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Hee hee...I'm no expert and have been asking a hundred questions on here, myself, but in the past two weeks I've been painting with more BIN, Coverstain, and 123 than I care to think about (all Zinsser primers). So all I can tell you is my experience in recent days with the 3 primers:

BIN: kinda a takes-your-breath away stink. Don't attempt it in a confined space or it will give you a headache and make you sick. Should have bought a more expensive mask. Heck, I should have REMEMBERED the mask when I left the rental to go paint the new house. I've lost a lost of brain cells recently. But we've had to use it to cover up nicotine stains. Still haven't figured out how to clean it up; we just try to paint an entire day with it and throw away the cheap brushes/rollers we bought to use with it. It's a survival thing right now.

Coverstain: Stinks to high heaven. Supposedly low VOC (at least that's what it says on the can) but it's a "hang in the air, heavy and damp" stink. Dries a lot slower, being oil-based, so you have more time to work with it. Cleans up fine with mineral spirits.

1-2-3: Water based, easier to clean tools afterwards, dries pretty fast, stinks, but definitely the least of the 3, IMHO. Doesn't cover as nicely and thickly as the other two, but I don't suppose that matters when it's just a primer.

Ironically, we've painted kitchen cabinets in two houses before but I can't remember everything I should. I do know you have to be careful what finish polyurethane whatever you use or it will yellow your cabinets (if you're painting them white). Learned that one the hard way---I'm sure someone on here knows which is the one to use.

Good luck! We're going back and forth on this ourselves, right now. Hated doing the last two kitchens, loved the finished look!
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Just a friendly reminder to those who use TSP. Be sure to rinse well. Zinsser says do not use TSP prior to applying their products, and they do so because improper rinsing has been causing bonding issues with their coatings. Dirtex doesn't have phosphates so it doesn't need rinsing. The downside to Dirtex is that it doesn't etch, dull sheens, in prep for painting.
Where do you find Dirtex? Someone recommended it to me before, and I've checked HD, Menards, Ace Hardware and Sherwin Williams, and no one had it. Maybe I asked all idiots, but only one person (the one at HD) had even heard of it...
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I've seen it at all those places ( except SW>>)

also try a good hdwre store
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I've seen it at all those places ( except SW>>)

also try a good hdwre store
I guess I need to just keep asking different people, then, until someone finds it for me! I looked in the cleaning sections in all those places myself but I'm admittedly brain dead right now.... thanks!
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Menards has a place in the back of the paint dept for chemicals- that's where I find it.
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Dandh, clean up BIN with ammonia. Pour a few ounces in an empty paint can and add about a quart of water. Repeat until clean. It cleans up pretty easily. You might want to wear some tight fitting gloves when using it to keep hands clean.
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When you remove the doors and hardware, keep track of which door goes where. We have had great success with No-Rinse Liquid TSP Substitute Cleaner. It de-greases and slightly etches the finish. Be sure they are thoroughly cleaned before you proceed. Remember: Preparation is a RESULT, not a PROCESS.

I think the sanding and priming horse has died; I won't beat it any further.

You should replace the hardware. Before you run out to order it, measure the distance between the mounting holes. Standards have changed. You may have to fill in the lower hole with wood patch and drill new ones. I had to when I redecorated my old cabinets.

Look for Insl-X Cabinet Paint. It is owned by Benjamin-Moore. That paint is excellent for cabinets. It is an acrylic that dries to a nice, hard, block-resistant finish.
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And do yourself a favor. Make a little jig/template so you don't have to measure each door for your door pulls, etc. will still end up uniformly placed.

I see you have single knob pulls. You may have to fill holes where they are now if you use a handle type pull, etc.

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