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Old 11-25-2012, 07:15 PM   #1
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Is there a method to 'prep' the surfaces so that the paint will bond, or is stripper and sanding the only options? I'd also like to paint the door frames rather than replace.

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A whole lot of work but to get the paint to stay stuck there going to have to be degreased, stripped ( I would use a random orbital sander not a stripper)
primed with a bonding primer and two coats of finish paint.

May want to stop by your local real paint store and ask them what to use for a primer and paint. And no Home Depot and Lowes do not count.

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A whole lot of work...
I was afraid of that . I somehow forgot to mention that the front of the doors have a veneer. Sand or strip?

ALso, I'd really rather not remove the cabinet frames from the wall (or I may as well bite the bullet and replace them! The doors, of course, come off.). Possible?

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May want to stop by your local real paint store and ask them what to use for a primer and paint. And no Home Depot and Lowes do not count.
That is the single best advise i have seen on these forums lol
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A whole lot of work but to get the paint to stay stuck there going to have to be degreased, stripped ( I would use a random orbital sander not a stripper)
primed with a bonding primer and two coats of finish paint.

May want to stop by your local real paint store and ask them what to use for a primer and paint. And no Home Depot and Lowes do not count.
Nonsense as usual. Joe is not a painter and is sometimes to quick to comment without thinking his responses.

You do not have to strip them so long as you remove any varnish that is chipping or flaking. You do have to degrease them and really clean them to remove any wax buildup that might be on them. You will need to fill in and out any surface imperfections.

Scruff the surfaces with fine grit sandpaper. Apply a quality bonding primer/underlay and then two coats of quality paint store finish.

If budget allows, think about upgrading the hardware.
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There's some other options to make those cabinets look better.
You could buy all new doors, and drawer front's that look better then those flat panels.
There's hudreds of on line companys that do nothing but make the doors and fronts.
You could replace all that old hardware and add some nice trim to the faces of the doors to make them look like recessed panels.
Could do what's called picture framing on the face of the doors.
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Nonsense as usual. Joe is not a painter and is sometimes to quick to comment without thinking his responses.

You do not have to strip them so long as you remove any varnish that is chipping or flaking. You do have to degrease them and really clean them to remove any wax buildup that might be on them. You will need to fill in and out any surface imperfections.

Scruff the surfaces with fine grit sandpaper. Apply a quality bonding primer/underlay and then two coats of quality paint store finish.

If budget allows, think about upgrading the hardware.
Dude you said the same thing he did????
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Dude you said the same thing he did????
Certainly did not! Here is his quote. We did agree on the need for primer and finish.

"A whole lot of work but to get the paint to stay stuck there going to have to be degreased, stripped..."

They do not have to be stripped if they are going to be painted.
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Just use a deglosser, scuff the surface, I would prime with BIN just in case of tannins and good quality paint (2 coats)
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Certainly did not! Here is his quote. We did agree on the need for primer and finish.

"A whole lot of work but to get the paint to stay stuck there going to have to be degreased, stripped..."

They do not have to be stripped if they are going to be painted.
forgot this part..."( I would use a random orbital sander not a stripper)"
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forgot this part..."( I would use a random orbital sander not a stripper)"
Lost you bubba. He is still suggesting the cabinets need be stripped but using a random sander and not a chemical stripper? Maybe I read it wrong. The suggestion to strip completely by any method is irrelevant. You don't need to do it to paint. If you are trying to get to the wood so you can re-stain, the game changes.
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Thanks for all of the responses. No stripping or sanding gets my vote!

Any recommendations on the degreaser or any additional cleaning supplies/method (or a URL outlining proper procedure & materials)? The guys at BM should be able to help with paint and primer recommendations, but I wouldn't put my nose up at any suggestions offered here.

Oh, and if anyone is willing to just come do the job...
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I did this very thing, two different ways. For the upper cabinet doors, I TSP'd them and sanded them down. Then used Zinnser primer and latex paint and added some picture framing. It's held up for 2.5 years now. On the bottoms, I went the deglosser route. TSP again, deglosser, prime, then paint. So far, those have held up for 9 months now.
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Thanks for all of the responses. No stripping or sanding gets my vote!

Any recommendations on the degreaser or any additional cleaning supplies/method (or a URL outlining proper procedure & materials)? The guys at BM should be able to help with paint and primer recommendations, but I wouldn't put my nose up at any suggestions offered here.

Oh, and if anyone is willing to just come do the job...

how far south east of Maryland are you?

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You DO need to sand everything after cleaning.
Forget the deglosser
Clean with Dirtex
Lightly sand all surfaces with 120 grit paper
Apply a quality bonding primer( Cover Stain, Zinnser 123),Bin would be over kill
Apply 2 finish coats
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how far south east of Maryland are you?
Well, any farther and I'd be soaking wet!

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You DO need to sand everything after cleaning.
I stand corrected. When I said no sanding, I was referring to sanding down to bare wood. Thanks for the heads up.

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Forget the deglosser
Clean with Dirtex
Lightly sand all surfaces with 120 grit paper
Apply a quality bonding primer( Cover Stain, Zinnser 123),Bin would be over kill
Apply 2 finish coats
And thanks for the detail.


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