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Old 02-08-2012, 08:43 PM   #1
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Hi. I have just completed building a Newel Post for use as a mailbox pedistal. It is made of both clear pine and poplar, and held together with 2.5" screws and Titebond 2 glue. It will slide over an existing 4x4 pressure-treated solid pine post set deep into the ground.
I have done alot of interior wood working projects but this is the first for outside, and I dont want the thing to get destroyed in the New Jersey elements.
I would love it to be a classical white finish. Any suggestions for a combination of primer and exterior paint?
It is too cold now to do any painting (our garage is unheated) and its February, so I am not in a rush (though I am dying to get the old Mailbox thing out o'here and the new post up!).
What suggestions does anyone have for this project?


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Start over, never going to work. Sorry. We all know your going to do it anyway so use soild colored stain not paint.
Anything below ground or in direct contact with it must be pressure treated. Even landscape timbers and anything less then a 4 X 4 is not direct contact rated.
Could have just used a vinyl post cover.

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Start over, never going to work. Sorry. We all know your going to do it anyway so use soild colored stain not paint.
Anything below ground or in direct contact with it must be pressure treated. Even landscape timbers and anything less then a 4 X 4 is not direct contact rated.
Could have just used a vinyl post cover.
Point of clarification: The post actually does not touch the ground. It is hollow where it slides onto the standing 22" high pressure-treated 4x4 and the base is above the surface by about 1". Any hope for it surviving?
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Not for long.
Popler is for inside trim.
Even pine siding by code has to be at least 12" above grade or it will rot.
Why the wood?
Want it to last forever and never need painting or staining? Make it out of vinyl.
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The suggestion "We all know your going to do it anyway so use soild colored stain not paint." do you have a sugested solid color stain product? (I hope you don't mean something like Redwood deck stain....) I posted a few pics of the Newell post for finishing suggestions.
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Stain be mixed in any color paint comes in.
Cabot and Olymic are two good ones.
Most will say fence and siding stain.
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The sky is falling, the sky is falling. Sheesh.

Before there was pressure treated wood there was....wood! People were even so stupid as to build fences from it and paint them! I would know because I grew up painting them. Lots of them.

Bob, paint it with a good quality (Sherwin Williams, Benjamin Moore, Duron....NOT big box paint) exterior primer and then exterior gloss paint. Seal up the seams nice and good before you start, and be sure to paint the inside surfaces as well
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The sky is falling, the sky is falling. Sheesh.

Before there was pressure treated wood there was....wood! People were even so stupid as to build fences from it and paint them! I would know because I grew up painting them. Lots of them.
And the posts in the ground rotted out in just a few years! What this guy is going to get is about ten years at best then redo it again. He should use western redwood cedar. It will last 20 years untreated.
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What about using a good quality latex sealer and paint? (There must be something for wooden boats around that are still being used/painted.)
For some reason that idea hit me- i did a quick google search and came up with this bit of info:
"I am not alone in appreciating the outstanding performance of 100% acrylic latex paints for boats. Thomas Firth Jones, boat designer, boatbuilder, and author of Boats To Go wrote in Boatbuilder several years ago that he preferred latex paint over oil paint for boats for all of the reasons cited above...
"I was talking with “Dynamite” Payson one May weekend a couple of years ago and he told me he was going to repaint his skiff with latex paint that weekend.
Jim Michalak, boat designer and builder, uses latex paint on his boats.
Phil Bolger reported in Messing About in BOATS that his personal outboard boat is painted with semigloss latex house paint."
http://www.simplicityboats.com/latexcarnel.html
Does this sound like sound advice?



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If you think that might work try going on Interlux or Pettit paints web sites.
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Stain be mixed in any color paint comes in.
Cabot and Olymic are two good ones.
Most will say fence and siding stain.







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As already said any quality latex primer and finish will work just fine, seal up all cracks with quality chalk after priming. The key word is quality, this means going to a real paint store.
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Imagine that! A paint job won't last forever. After that breaking news I expect the lumber and paint industry to crumble.
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Hey Bob, the chicken littles are out today, to play on ironlight's words. If you want a little extra protection, check out Woodlife preservative to use under your primer/paint. If you're not using pressure treated, make it so yourself, at least treated. Also, as chrisn said, be sure all joints and openings are well caulked. It's also imperative that there is no bare wood at all, even inside the sleeve. You'll be fine.
What parts of NJ are you from? I'm taking from your climate description you're close to the edge.
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For wood that's outside (not buried or sitting on the ground), I use Zinsser BIN to seal any knots or stains first. Then prime the whole thing with Zinnser cover stain. After it dries, paint the whole thing with a good exterior paint - I like Cabot personally.

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