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zakany 09-27-2012 07:15 PM

Painting textured mud ceiling - questions
 
I read through the forum posts on this subject, but I have a couple lingering questions.

Here's my ceiling:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-X...0/P1000883.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-P...0/P1000884.JPG

It has never been painted. About twenty years old.

If I use Muresco Ceiling White (or similar) would I use a thick nap roller (3/4) or one of those foam roller covers? The texture is typically 1/8 inch, with a max of 1/2 inch.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-V...58_197x193.png

Should I prime it, and if so with what?

Should I be concerned about softening the ceiling mud when painting?

As you can see, there are cobwebs to clean off. Any good methods for doing so?

There are a couple cracks, too, where the drywall meets (probably due to settling). Mud that in, or apply some caulking?

joecaption 09-27-2012 07:20 PM

Clean the ceiling, apply latex paintable caulking to the cracks it there small. just enought to fill the crack, none on the surface.
I'd at least primed the areas of repair then just cut it in the tight corners with a brush and roll the rest with a 3/4" roller.

ltd 09-27-2012 09:57 PM

dust off cobb webbs with broom. for small hairline cracks fill with a little spackel ,dont get carryed away ,you dont want patch to look worse than the crack.you did not here it hear but small hair line cracks a little caulk:huh:will do the trick .for me i would use s/w pro block primer then 1 or 2 a coats of s/w super paint in a flat .oh yea for me it is rare i use anything over a 1/2 inch cover ,as for foam rollers :eek:no.and about getting the mud wet dont worry just roll and move on let dry then put second coat on. it r.eally hard to mess up this kind of ceiling.:wink:

Gymschu 09-27-2012 09:57 PM

If you are confident in your ability to paint ceilings you could get by without a primer. In the old days I did many ceilings like that without primer. If you roll on the paint liberally and keep a wet edge you can make that ceiling look like a million bucks. I found that the paint soaked up into the texture just enough to give that nice clean flat look. If you're not feeling so confident, use a drywall primer and then topcoat with the Benny Moore. Don't use a foam roller.........they don't hold enough paint to do textured ceilings and you will have lots of streaky areas.

ltd 09-27-2012 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Gymschu (Post 1018816)
If you are confident in your ability to paint ceilings you could get by without a primer. In the old days I did many ceilings like that without primer. If you roll on the paint liberally and keep a wet edge you can make that ceiling look like a million bucks. I found that the paint soaked up into the texture just enough to give that nice clean flat look. If you're not feeling so confident, use a drywall primer and then topcoat with the Benny Moore. Don't use a foam roller.........they don't hold enough paint to do textured ceilings and you will have lots of streaky areas.

very true i was chicken the primer police might have been lurking:eek:.

zakany 09-27-2012 10:09 PM

I have absolutely no confidence in my painting abilities, but I'm not afraid to learn and try. I'm glad to hear that I shouldn't use a foam roller.

chrisn 09-28-2012 05:38 AM

Dust off the webs,spackle the cracks with some mud on you're finger, cut and roll the paint with QUALITY brush and a 1/2 in cover, no need for a 3/4 here. Done. Personally I would use a 3/4, but that is mostly what I use for everything, for you a 1/2 would be plenty

user1007 09-28-2012 06:16 AM

Do yourself a favor and invest in a rigid sturdy extension pole for doing ceilings. In the business I suspect most of us use (or used) nice telescoping aluminum ones? Sometimes I have noticed that real paint stores have loaners for DIYers as the things are expensive. Alternately, you can get a nice wooden one for not a whole lot of money. Be leary of those sectional things. The good ones with metal fittings can be alright but the ones with the stapled plastic fitting are near worthless.

Obviously a decent roller handle is important too. As mentioned elsewhere, I like the "sure grip" type but be sure and bend the fins a few times or you will have a really challenge getting the roller cover off. If you use the conventional metal type just remember the cheapy ones may not hold tension for long. And again, watch out for cheap unreinforced plastic thread fittings on the end. They are likely to crack on you.

I too would have used a 3/4" cover but because I was used to it and just like the paint flow better. For a novice, loading one up with paint for a ceiling will get very heavy. Wear wrist support if prone to such injuries especially when rolling ceilings.

ToolSeeker 09-28-2012 09:40 AM

I agree with almost everything said here especially to prime. Not sure the size of repairs but if even small the difference between mud and spackle may show thru in the paint.

chrisn 09-28-2012 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ToolSeeker (Post 1019120)
I agree with almost everything said here especially to prime. Not sure the size of repairs but if even small the difference between mud and spackle may show thru in the paint.


It will not show through 2 coats of flat, ever:no:

No need to prime the ceiling if using the Muresco, but you will need 2 coats for sure.

zakany 09-28-2012 08:26 PM

Well, I found the Muresco, so I'm good there. Bought a gallon of cheap primer that I can only hope doesn't spatter all over everything. I always use two coats of color, regardless of coverage claims. Always. Not because I'm picky, but because there's always some little spot I missed.

Since I'm replacing the carpeting with this project, anyhow, I figured that I'd move the furniture, cover the grand piano, remove the base boards and have at it.

I've never painted a ceiling before (other than spot repairs, which never look good) so this should be a learning experience.

Gymschu 09-28-2012 10:09 PM

Zakany, sounds like you have a good formula for doing this ceiling. As I tell everyone, load your roller up with plenty of paint. So many times I see folks barely load up the roller and then they try to squeeze out every last drop on each run on the ceiling. Roll it 5 or 6 times into the paint tray before starting to really lube it up.......it should ALMOST be dripping wet when you pull it out of the tray. Take relatively small sections at a time and keep it moving........if you take your good old time you will end up with a streaky ceiling because you didn't keep a wet edge. Best of luck with your project.

chrisn 09-29-2012 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by zakany (Post 1019562)
Well, I found the Muresco, so I'm good there. Bought a gallon of cheap primer that I can only hope doesn't spatter all over everything. I always use two coats of color, regardless of coverage claims. Always. Not because I'm picky, but because there's always some little spot I missed.

Since I'm replacing the carpeting with this project, anyhow, I figured that I'd move the furniture, cover the grand piano, remove the base boards and have at it.

I've never painted a ceiling before (other than spot repairs, which never look good) so this should be a learning experience.


why do I bother giving advise?:huh:

user1007 09-29-2012 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by chrisn (Post 1019789)
why do I bother giving advise?:huh:

Because every once in awhile someone does listen and appreciate the advice. And they do not do something blazingly stupid like put nice, expensive paint over crappy, $2/gallon, poorly adhering primer---when one was not needed in the first place---and then wonder why the paint fails.

Hang in there. Hit some crabs with a hammer. You will feel better. :yes::thumbup1:

zakany 09-29-2012 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisn (Post 1019789)
why do I bother giving advise?

I understand your advice to just use two coats of Muresco. Others suggested a different approach. If you think it is wise to use a $40 primer under a $25 paint, fine.

I mentioned buying a $20 primer because I can imagine it being thinner than a paint formulated to cover ceilings and causing as many problems as it solves. My follow-up indicates uncertainty.

Please realize that folks who come here asking do their best to synthasize differnt opinions into workable solutions. No slight is intended.


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