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bokeh 11-01-2010 12:33 AM

painting project, large home interior - need planning help
 
I have three weeks to paint 3bedrooms walls+ceiling 5 baths walls + ceiling, a hallway walls + ceiling, living room ceiling and dinging room ceiling.

I started about a month ago and have never painted anything this size, So, I've been learning as I go. So far I have painted one formal family room walls + ceiling, and a foyer & one hallway. I've used approx 30 gallons of paint for those areas.

The home had fabric padded walls for 30 years. that was all removed recently leaving the plaster walls. they are not prefectly smooth so I am not 100% happy with the results of the finished paint job.

Of the rooms I've painted so far, it has taken 4 coats of paint. the first two coats seems to absorb into the plaster and leave a very uneven finish. the third coat looks better, and the 4th coat looks the best its going to get with what I am working with as far as the plaster unevenness goes.



I've been using Bher premuim plus latex paint. flat everywhere except the batrhooms I am using semi gloss.

as I did the hallway I purchased some floetrol, and that seemed to help smooth out the paint as it's applied. If I finish the rooms before the next 21 days, I need to go back to the formal family room and do one more coat on the ceiling, it has allot of roller marks.


This is my job for 20 more days. and I need help how I should go about this.

what is left: im putting approx fsize as measured by floor area
bedroom #1 bath #1 all walls & ceilings ~400sq feet floor area
bedroom #2 bath #2 all walls & ceilings ~400sq feet floor area
master bedroom + 2 baths all walls & ceilings ~1500+sq feet floor area
hallway all walls & ceilings ~300 sq feet floor area
living room ceiling ~500sq feet
dining room ceiling ~400 sq feet floor area

like all the other rooms, I think its all going to need 4 coats, and need help planning this to be complete in 20 days.


all of the rooms have oak trim around doors and windows. in the hallway after finishing the painting and removing the tape off the trim, I noticed gaps everywhere, I bought a case of Alex painters caulk and ran a bead along all of the trim. its white, so If I have the time after I finish all of the painting I should probably go back and paint that caulk.

I am wondering how I should do the taping + caulk for the rest of the rooms. should I caulk first then tape the trim starting at the edge of the caulk? that way I will be painting the caulk as I paint the room.

I bought 5 gallons of oil based primer and tested it on the last two walls I did. I still needed 4 coats of paint it seemed, but the primer did seem to help even out the coverage, even thought I have unevenness in the plaster.

I just started using a lambswool 1/2 nap roller on the last coat oin the foyer, it seemed to add a little texture, and wonder if that is what I should be doing since the plaster is wavey in spots, or if I should use a synthetic roller.

I've been giving a full days drying time in between coats. But now I am thinking I need to step up this pace. I will still need alot of time for the oil based primer to dry, but should I be able to apply two coats of latex paint in the same day for each room as I go along?

cutting in the corners seems to be taking me forever, like most of the day moving the ladder, all the corners, shelves in closet, doors, windows, etc..

how many coats of corner cutting is necessary?

I should have probably joined a community like this before I started this project.

sorry for the long post. but I'm trying to figure out how I can complete this in time.

chrisn 11-01-2010 11:43 AM

Two thoughts come quickly to mind, ditch the Behr and buy some primer. They is absolutly NO reason to be applying 4 coats of ANY paint, none.:no:

bokeh 11-01-2010 12:01 PM

Thanks. I just woke up and am getting ready to start painting for today.

well the reason for the Bher, is that I was supplied with 20gallons of it to start with by the family member I am doing this for. I've bought and have been reimbursed for 10 or so more gallons since.

after reading while I've been on this project I've came to the same conclusion you've suggested about not going with Bher. But I am already The largest room and a big hallway & foyer into this project. I need to keep the color consistent throughout, that is what they wanted.

I did buy 5 gallons of Bher premium oil based primer to see if that will make a difference. I also have about 4 gallons left of the flat paint, and about 3 gallons of the semi gloss for the bathrooms.


If I were to go to someplace like benjamin moore (if its in the area) would they be able to match the exact color? that way I could get a better quality paint, probably coverage in less coats, and still match the color they wanted and am using now.

I'm using Heavy cream, flat latex enamel

now their only request is to try and have it finished before I leave for a vacation the 20th of this month. That being said; I am sure if I went with a better paint and could justify the switch to him, by showing that I will definitely being able to complete the project by the 20th he would understand once its all complete.

jschaben 11-01-2010 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bokeh (Post 526631)
Thanks. I just woke up and am getting ready to start painting for today.

well the reason for the Bher, is that I was supplied with 20gallons of it to start with by the family member I am doing this for. I've bought and have been reimbursed for 10 or so more gallons since.

after reading while I've been on this project I've came to the same conclusion you've suggested about not going with Bher. But I am already The largest room and a big hallway & foyer into this project. I need to keep the color consistent throughout, that is what they wanted.

I did buy 5 gallons of Bher premium oil based primer to see if that will make a difference. I also have about 4 gallons left of the flat paint, and about 3 gallons of the semi gloss for the bathrooms.


If I were to go to someplace like benjamin moore (if its in the area) would they be able to match the exact color? that way I could get a better quality paint, probably coverage in less coats, and still match the color they wanted and am using now.

I'm using Heavy cream, flat latex enamel

now their only request is to try and have it finished before I leave for a vacation the 20th of this month. That being said; I am sure if I went with a better paint and could justify the switch to him, by showing that I will definitely being able to complete the project by the 20th he would understand once its all complete.


I tend to agree with Chrisn about get some primer. Behr, I've had decent luck with it but I also used a primer with it, irregardless what the can said. I don't think an oil primer is buying you anything, good quality latex primer should work as well and save you the drying time. I'm partial to Glidden Gripper for primer but have to confess I haven't tried any other for nearly 20 years. I do like it better than an oil primer I got a couple years back just to prime some window glazing with. Don't even recall the name of that stuff and it was just used for the glazing.
BM or any good paint store that uses electronic scanners for paint matching should be able to match your color pretty well. They days of using a calibrated eyeball for matching colors are pretty much gone.
Quite a project you have going.. good luck:)

chrisn 11-01-2010 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jschaben (Post 526698)
I tend to agree with Chrisn about get some primer. Behr, I've had decent luck with it but I also used a primer with it, irregardless what the can said. I don't think an oil primer is buying you anything, good quality latex primer should work as well and save you the drying time. I'm partial to Glidden Gripper:thumbsup: for primer but have to confess I haven't tried any other for nearly 20 years. I do like it better than an oil primer I got a couple years back just to prime some window glazing with. Don't even recall the name of that stuff and it was just used for the glazing.
BM or any good paint store that uses electronic scanners for paint matching should be able to match your color pretty well. They days of using a calibrated eyeball for matching colors are pretty much gone.
Quite a project you have going.. good luck:)

the gripper is good stuff, smells like a new pair of sneakers:laughing:

jschaben 11-01-2010 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by chrisn (Post 526848)
the gripper is good stuff, smells like a new pair of sneakers:laughing:


:laughing:hangs around like that too.:laughing:

bokeh 11-03-2010 09:53 PM

Thank you all for helping out.

I bought 5 gallons of gripper to try it out and it works great:thumbsup:. No iratation, and the smell isn't bad. The smell gave me deja-vu of something from art class in grade school. I can pinpoint it, but I'm thinking modeling clay or something...

The coverage is good, and I think I see why it's called Gripper. I'm using a 1/2" nap lambswool roller cover to apply it, and I can feel & hear it gripping as it goes on the surface. :yes: It even stuck pretty good to some shelves in the closet that had old semi-gloss on it. dries pretty fast too.

I also took the advice on ditching the Bher paint. I went to a paint store, and picked up 5 gallons of Benjamin Moore Regal flat paint. Excellent. I really didn't think a switch in paint would make the difference it already has with just one coat applied over the primer. Looks better, flows better, covers better; all around much better product. I now wonder how B.M. Aura would have been.

I took in a wet sample in the container of the Bher paint I had. They matched it, and after one coat is beginning to dry, it looks like a pretty close match. It looks a little different wet, but dry looks closer to a match.

I picked up a couple 3/8" nap rollers for the paint, and probably should have gone with 1/2", the paint seems to fade out after one full length roll of the wall height, and half the ceiling width on the short side. it still is covering great though.

I have enough paint to get me through the final coat of paint tomorrow in that bedroom. But am going to be picking up another 10gal of gripper & 20-30 gallons of paint on friday, and then I am starting on the master suite.

I should probably ditch the Bher semi gloss I have for the bathrooms, and pick up some benjamin moor semi gloss. In the 1st bedroom I noticed the semi gloss color looed different than the flat from Home Depots Bher paint. I looked on the caps and they put in the same mix of colors, but the base number was different :censored:



I got a question: do you all cut in the corners with a brush for every coat of primer & paint, even on the final coat? I've noticed my corners look a tad darker and was wondering if I should skin cutting them in on the final coat and just roll close to the edges.


:thumbup: once again, thanks for the suggestions :thumbup: The switch is going to allow me to eliminate the 4th coat I kept needing with the Bher paint & primer.


Off to finish painting the closet, and then going to do the final coat in the bedroom before the nights over.

Matthewt1970 11-03-2010 10:47 PM

OMG 30 gallons? By comparison, a gallon of paint should do 2 coats in an average room. I could maybe see 3 coats but you are putting 4 coats and it still doesn't look right.

bokeh 11-03-2010 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthewt1970 (Post 528245)
OMG 30 gallons? By comparison, a gallon of paint should do 2 coats in an average room. I could maybe see 3 coats but you are putting 4 coats and it still doesn't look right.


the master suite is pretty big. The floor space is about 1500sq ft, it has 2 big walk-in closets, a hallway between the baths & closets that all need walls & ceiling painted. Thats not counting the 2 baths in the master that need semi-gloss coats. I already have the bathrooms primed. Plus, I have more to do after that room.

now with the benjamin moore paint, I am not gointd to need that 4th coat anymore. still I think I am going to need more than 30gallons of paint to finish. The bedroom I'm in now is about 300sq ft including walk-in closet. in there I've used about 2-3 gallons primer, 2 gallons for first coat, and going to do a second coat tonight probably finishing about 2am and another 2 gallons of paint. I have another bedroom same size to do, along with a hallway that the 4 bedrooms share in common. a living room & dining room ceiling


why am I replying, I should be painting.. hah... 16 days left to finish... :eek:

hoz49 11-06-2010 10:45 AM

I'll ping in here. On technique, you need to cut in every coat. And if it's only you working just cut one wall at a time. Otherwise the paint can dry unevenly and the cut line looks different from the roller, it's called "hatbanding".
When I'm working alone I cut the ceiling and corners down to about 3' off the floor and then roll. Then I go down on the floor and cut the base and the rest of the corners taking care to feather out the brush work. The corners could be jammed, but make sure you roll both sides to eliminate a fat roller edge.


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