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Old 12-17-2010, 08:00 PM   #1
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hi, recently I had a fireplace back up with two artificial logs burning in it. the damper was open, but the fire started so fast smoke backed up into the house. The insurance co hired a large reputable cleaner to come in do a clean up. chem sponges were used followed by professional cleaning agents (there own brand). they did a great 8 day job. It looks like a repaint is in order to cover many remaining stains.

I am sure the ins adjuster will ok the job, he said they may just pay me to do the job, which is what i want to do anyway.

My plan is to rewash the wall, and paint. i will spot any stains with kilz first. the ceilings I think should be all primmed with kilz and then painted.

any suggestion for idea and products to use?

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hi, recently I had a fireplace back up with two artificial logs burning in it. the damper was open, but the fire started so fast smoke backed up into the house. The insurance co hired a large reputable cleaner to come in do a clean up. chem sponges were used followed by professional cleaning agents (there own brand). they did a great 8 day job. It looks like a repaint is in order to cover many remaining stains.

I am sure the ins adjuster will ok the job, he said they may just pay me to do the job, which is what i want to do anyway.

My plan is to rewash the wall, and paint. i will spot any stains with kilz first. the ceilings I think should be all primmed with kilz and then painted.

any suggestion for idea and products to use?

thanks,

bernie

Well, first thing is forget the Kilz, IMHO over rated and just as much overpriced. Go with Zinsser BIN tinted shellac. Not the water based 123 they have. BIN cleans up with alcohol or ammonia, not soap and water.
Top coat with what ever you want.
Good Luck

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Well, first thing is forget the Kilz, IMHO over rated and just as much overpriced. Go with Zinsser BIN tinted shellac. Not the water based 123 they have. BIN cleans up with alcohol or ammonia, not soap and water.
Top coat with what ever you want.
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Absolutely. BIN is the industry standard for smoke damage.
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In this case, use TSP to wash.

Then THREE FULL rinses with water.
Let dry a day or so.

Then DEFINITELY haul out the BIN!!!
I'd do 2 coats of BIN...serious...to guard against any odors.

Then paint to your hearts content!

YEP...pretend Kilz doesn't exist. It doesn't hold a candle to Zinsser primers.

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In this case, use TSP to wash.

Then THREE FULL rinses with water.
Let dry a day or so.

Then DEFINITELY haul out the BIN!!!
I'd do 2 coats of BIN...serious...to guard against any odors.

Then paint to your hearts content!

YEP...pretend Kilz doesn't exist. It doesn't hold a candle to Zinsser primers.

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All of what he said!
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thanks for all of the advise and happy new year to all.

Over the next few weeks I will begin the process. I have decided to wash the walls with dirtex powder and rinse well. Prime walls w bin 123 (alcohol base) then paint w benny moore or sw.

the textured ceilings have me wondering how to wash them?? what is the best way to wash ceilings? I know they must be done first, before the walls.

any areas after washing (both walls and ceilings) I am going to double prime with the bin. I don't think it will be necessary to double prime the whole wall.

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Are your ceilings smooth or popcorn?

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Neither. It is textured I think by the application of the plaster skim coat when built. They worked a trowell around as they applied the skim coat. I wished I knew what the technique is called, but I supect I will find out shortly!!!

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I see no reason at all to double prime, what's the point?
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tnx,

1 coat it is, less work for me. Still, how do I wash the textured ceilings?

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I wouldn't bother, clean with a vacuum cleaner or broom.
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good morning, just rereading everything. I mis-spoke in one of my posts. I will be using bin alcohol based shellac, not 123. I should vac and brush the ceilings and prime once. I will wash walls w dirtex, rinse well and prime. 4 rooms, which are the most recently painted I may not prime as I see no real soot damage. I do have enough paint left from before to freshen them up. The other 6 rooms, and halls as well as all of the ceiling get the full treatment. then i start the trim.

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getting closer to starting the job. all the snow and cold has been getting in the way. went to SW today, they have their own brand of alcohol based shellac, (bin). Is it any good? how does it compare to bin? SW is $5 more a gal. 44 vs 39.

at this point i am leaning toward benny moore based on price. hope to start prep in a week or so, then prime. paint will wait for color choices.

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I have a question? Why, if the ins co hired a professional cleaning crew who specialize in cleaning smoke/soot damage, and they used used chemical sponges, and then washed with a professional soot cleaning agent, are you going to wash the walls? BIN, which as matt stated, is the industry standard for covering soot, will adeqautely cover any residual soot stain and mask any odor. If you're interested in less work, which I can understand, why are you planning to re-work someone else's? Especially when they did a great job. I honestly think the amount of work involved in washing AND rinsing ceilings and walls IN SIX ROOMS, and from washing walls after wallpaper removal my whole life I can say is no picnic, today included, is not worth the small contribution, if any, it will have on the outcome of the job. Given all that, can someone justify it for me? The smarter we work, the less hard it will be.
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BTW Rooms are washed with cleaning agents from the base up, else the cleaner will streak down the walls.
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the reason for rewashing was confirmed by others on this site. I am only going to rewash the walls and vacuum the ceiling before Bin primmer.

Is the SW "bin" as good or better than the real BIN itself?????

thanks for the labor saving suggestion.

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