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Old 08-02-2013, 12:23 AM   #16
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I don't think you've gotten answers that fully considered your question.

If you cannot feel the mesh at all - only just barely see (for example, the bright yellow color) - then paint will cover it with no problem.

Quality paints such as Sherwin Williams Super Paint or Duration, or Benjamin Moore Aura, and yes even the top of the line Behr paint, will cover bare drywall without primer, at least in flat. Await Jmayspaint report for eggshell/satin.
I must be doing something wrong, because I've never been able to pull that off.

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yup agreed! i do painting, drywall and trim carpentry for a living. i try to keep up with times and try and educate myself with new products and new better ways to do things. i've tried the paint and primer in one and as i said it does not work well. the only time i paint bare drywall is when i do a painters patch and i dry roll my patches with wall color and then do 2 coats on top of that.
i've repaired a large job where ben moore aura was used on bare drywall and it was a mess! paint was peeling all over. and i also did a repair job where ben moore regal was used and same results.
i did my own job with dulux diamond(my favorite paint) and i had the same results peeling where the compound is.
i also tried it with manor hall and same results.
always always always prime with a real primer then 2 coats of quality wall paint.
that doesn't sound good at all

There is so much discussion on this issue, I just have to see for myself..

I have seen only one instance of new drywall peeling. It was several years ago with Duron paint. It was a big new construction job that had a lot of drywall touch up after prime and 1st coat. The (large) patches were not primed, just painted with the finish. After a while bubbles appeared where the patches were. If you picked at a bubble, you could peel the paint off the whole patch.

At the time, I attributed it to incomplete dusting of the compound. Had to re-patch to hide the peels. No fun to fix.

That was a long time ago, and paint has changed since then (I hope).

Its getting hard to find any paint, short of the cheap contractor lines, that still recommends priming drywall. Maybe the manufactures have all lost there minds... In any case, I really want to find out.
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Its getting hard to find any paint, short of the cheap contractor lines, that still recommends priming drywall. Maybe the manufactures have all lost there minds... In any case, I really want to find out.
Examples below, but think about it - paint manufacturers cover their ass with their warranties and surface preparation requirements. If they say it self-primes, then it's warranted without primer on bare drywall. They wouldn't do it if they expected a bunch of paint returns.

A lot of people here are simply regurgitating what they heard the "tough guys" say and have never tried it themselves. A lot of guys tried something 20 years ago, it didn't work right (for whatever reason - they're not sure) and so therefore it can't work forever, end of story. This is known as close-minded dogma, basically Dark Ages mentality. Tradespeople are well known for making decisions based on flimsy anecdotal evidence. Scientific and controlled experiments - not so much.

Those who keep up with new technology and experiment in well controlled ways know better.

A number of times I have painted bare drywall in a room - half the room primed, half the room not primed - then covered with SuperPaint. No one could ever find any difference on any occasion. The paint has never peeled or slid off or burst into flames or pulled the walls down or any other crazy thing that some people claim. No one else here has done that of course, but that doesn't stop anyone from insisting on what they "know".

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Sherwin Williams SuperPaint and Emerald - covered
- Duration - not covered
- ProMar 200 (and below) - not covered
Benjamin Moore Aura and Regal - covered
- Ben (and below) - not covered
Behr Premium Plus and Premium Plus Ultra - covered
Glidden Duo Premium - covered
- Premium and Ultra Hide - not covered
Valspar Signature and Ultra - covered
- 2000 and 4000 - not covered

Among that group, the cutoff point is around $25 - paints that cost $25-30 and up now include self-priming formulations (Duration being the most obvious exception, last I looked).

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jmayspaint did the paint bubble right after they were rolled? if so then the patches werent wiped down properly. Very simple fix for the bubbles. DON'T TOUCH IT! leave the paint bubble. 90 percent of the time after 24hr it will suck in and you wont be able to find where that bubble was. it happens sometimes when painting walls that have been painted before. just leave the bubble alone and come back the next day its gone.

i use lafarge rapid coat for my drywall work then i use a broom on the walls then go over the walls and floor with a shop vac. and ive tried these jobs within the last 1-2years.

paint could very well peel off my patches. the odds of a patch getting bumped or rubbed on or whatever wear is less likely then whole joints at 4' and butt joints. i only do it because i dont want to crack open primer and get more brushes and rollers dirty. i guess its lazyness and a corner cut on my part.

and i dont have 25-30 years experience. im still a young gun so im not stuck in my ways if i see something better im going to do it. and even with high end paints you always always do 2 coats of wall color.
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Jeff, the kind of paint is NOT the point. For the record, I've used all kinds of paint - some of it exceptional, and some is basically colored water.
But again, you haven't mentioned which any of them are.

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So unless that surface is primed and sealed, the finished product won't be uniform. Unless you don't have it wiped and clean, paint will stick to drywall mud, without it being primed. But the finished product will not look right.
So you and I agree that adhesion isn't an issue. Others here obviously disagree. According to princelake for example, you're wrong and it will peel off in sheets.

The paint does matter, because
a) some of them are self-priming because of their different paint chemistry (so your priming issue is covered) and
b) some of them put on a much higher final film thickness, which does matter

The absorption rate of paper vs. compound is an issue primarily with the resins in paints with sheens as opposed to flat paint.
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By the way, is the drywall in this picture installed vertically, or am I just seeing things?
To me it looks like vertical rolling pattern (good) that hasn't fully dried yet.
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But again, you haven't mentioned which any of them are.
Why the obsession with the brand name? But since you keep asking, I'll tell you some of the brands I've used in the last couple years:
- Valspar
- Glidden
- Behr
- Sherwin Williams
- Ace Royal
- Lucite
- Pittsburgh
- Dutch Boy
- Martha Stewart
- ColorPlace
- Olympic

But again, why is that the point?
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To me it looks like vertical rolling pattern (good) that hasn't fully dried yet.
I hope so - probably the overlapped part.
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Why the obsession with the brand name?
If you read my posts, what I often say is just the opposite. Brand name doesn't matter. I was asking about the specific paint. Paint companies make different kinds of paint, so I was asking about the specific kind of paint, not the brand.

And the reason I'm asking that is the OP is looking for paint recommendations. Recommending Sherwin Williams or Benjamin Moore is no good because some of them are self priming paints and some are not. If you've had a problem with those paints, they were probably old formulations or not recommended without primer to begin with.
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