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cibula11 09-13-2011 03:29 PM

Painting a JD 318
 
I acquired a John Deere 318 that is in pretty good condition. I saw a couple of videos on spraying (priming and painting) using paint cans, and wondered what you all thought? I don't really want to strip the entire thing down, but don't want it to look like crap either. Ideas?

DrHicks 09-13-2011 04:08 PM

Don't use spray cans, unless you plan to do it right next summer.

If you've got an air compressor, get a lower-priced HVLP spray gun. Do your body work right, clean & prep it, mask it off and prime it. Spray it with a good acrylic enamel with catalyzed hardener, or base-coat/clear-coat system.

Doing the job right is not going to be a lot harder than throwing on spray can paint, and will give you a MUCH better end product.

cibula11 09-13-2011 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DrHicks (Post 727407)
Don't use spray cans, unless you plan to do it right next summer.

If you've got an air compressor, get a lower-priced HVLP spray gun. Do your body work right, clean & prep it, mask it off and prime it. Spray it with a good acrylic enamel with catalyzed hardener, or base-coat/clear-coat system.

Doing the job right is not going to be a lot harder than throwing on spray can paint, and will give you a MUCH better end product.

Thanks. I have siphon feed gun that I have used to spray paint before, just not for body work. Can I buy the paint that JD sells, specific to their colors? Or, would it be best to get it color matched at another place.

DrHicks 09-13-2011 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by cibula11 (Post 727410)
Thanks. I have siphon feed gun that I have used to spray paint before, just not for body work. Can I buy the paint that JD sells, specific to their colors? Or, would it be best to get it color matched at another place.

I'd price it out both through John Deere, and through an auto parts store that sells paint.

cibula11 09-13-2011 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DrHicks (Post 727412)
I'd price it out both through John Deere, and through an auto parts store that sells paint.


would bondo work for any scratches or cracks? I only have one area on the hood, but if I'm painting I want to do it right.

DrHicks 09-13-2011 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by cibula11 (Post 727430)
would bondo work for any scratches or cracks? I only have one area on the hood, but if I'm painting I want to do it right.

It should, assuming the problem area is not too big or deep. Bondo is a little bit like drywall mud, in that you don't want to use too much.

If it's a bigger problem, I'd get a fiberglass repair kit, then Bondo to finish the last little bit.

cibula11 09-13-2011 06:17 PM

So, I was checking out the JD paint and it looks like the pain they sell that comes in a can is what I would be spraying on with a compressor fed spray gun....what would be the advantage? I guess if I can get away with a couple of cans of spray paint, I'd rather do that. I'm not sure I want to add hundreds of dollars into this mower, just something to spruce it up a bit.

DrHicks 09-13-2011 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by cibula11 (Post 727478)
So, I was checking out the JD paint and it looks like the pain they sell that comes in a can is what I would be spraying on with a compressor fed spray gun....what would be the advantage? I guess if I can get away with a couple of cans of spray paint, I'd rather do that. I'm not sure I want to add hundreds of dollars into this mower, just something to spruce it up a bit.

It really depends on what end result you want. If you just want it to be green, go ahead and use the spray can paint. Just know that, inside of a couple years, it will be completely faded and probably chipping off.

You can also spray on regular paint from John Deere, and get similar results.

The main difference - while still being relatively cheap - is adding a catalyzing enamel hardner to acrylic enamel. The hardner is what gives it the gloss, and will help it last a lot longer.


I guess it really depends on what you want to spend, and what result you want. The cheapest route would be to buy a couple cans of spray paint, and a can of primer, for about $8 each, and paint away. Total of about $25? It'll be okay for awhile, but won't be too good. If you go the route of acrylic enamel with catalyzed hardner, you'll probably spend $50 - $75, but will have a better end result.

cibula11 09-13-2011 06:52 PM

well, I guess if its only a matter of 30 bucks or so, I might as well do it the right way.

any recommendations on brands of acrylic enamel?

DrHicks 09-13-2011 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by cibula11 (Post 727498)
well, I guess if its only a matter of 30 bucks or so, I might as well do it the right way.

any recommendations on brands of acrylic enamel?

Sorry, but no, I don't have any brands in mind. It has been quite a few years since I really did any amount of automotive-type painting.

I used to use a lot of DuPont Imron stuff. It was a little cheaper than their top-end paints, and was designed more for fleets. I'm not even sure what auto parts stores would sell it anymore.

If you have a TSC (Tractor Supply Company) near you, you can get their Valspar Tractor & Implement Enamel. http://valsparglobal.com/val/resident/valspar_imp.jsp

cibula11 09-13-2011 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DrHicks (Post 727504)
Sorry, but no, I don't have any brands in mind. It has been quite a few years since I really did any amount of automotive-type painting.

I used to use a lot of DuPont Imron stuff. It was a little cheaper than their top-end paints, and was designed more for fleets. I'm not even sure what auto parts stores would sell it anymore.

If you have a TSC (Tractor Supply Company) near you, you can get their Valspar Tractor & Implement Enamel. http://valsparglobal.com/val/resident/valspar_imp.jsp

I do have a TSC about 15 minutes away. So, do I add a hardener to the product that you linked, or can I just purchase that and spray? Didn't know if I need to thin it at all, or add anything to it.

Would I mix something like this: http://www.shopgreendealer.com/paint...eerepaint.aspx with the paint

DrHicks 09-13-2011 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by cibula11 (Post 727511)
I do have a TSC about 15 minutes away. So, do I add a hardener to the product that you linked, or can I just purchase that and spray? Didn't know if I need to thin it at all, or add anything to it.

Most definitely add the hardner. That will make all the difference in the world! And you'll want a gallon of whatever thinner they recommend.

Actually, a quart of the enamel should be more than enough, though I honestly don't know if you can buy just a quart.

cibula11 09-13-2011 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DrHicks (Post 727514)
Most definitely add the hardner. That will make all the difference in the world! And you'll want a gallon of whatever thinner they recommend.

Actually, a quart of the enamel should be more than enough, though I honestly don't know if you can buy just a quart.

Any idea of the ratio of hardener, enamel and thinner?

DrHicks 09-13-2011 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by cibula11 (Post 727517)
Any idea of the ratio of hardener, enamel and thinner?

No, but the cans will include instructions.

You can go online and pretty much figure out what it's going to cost at TSC. So before just going and buying this, I'd suggest checking at a local auto parts store. You might be surprised, and you might find somebody that knows some of the ins and outs of this kind of painting.

cibula11 09-13-2011 08:26 PM

Found this while searching: http://valsparglobal.com/val/residen...tion/index.jsp

specified for sprayers and used with hardeners....for only about $25-30. Might be worth it.


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