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Old 02-13-2012, 11:12 PM   #1
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Out here in southern calif. I am using Sherman Williams White "ProClassic" Waterborne Interior Acrylic High Gloss Enamel. I place one door at a time horizontal on my old dining table inside my house with two 5 gal buckets to raise it enough so I can paint it standing up.My back cant take bending over. I have plenty of bright lighting. I noticed that when the door is dried and I am looking at it under the bright lights I can see all sorts of flat looking blotches meaning the whole door is not looking high gloss all over. But there appears to be plenty of paint coverage. I did two coats. I use one of those 4" wide mini rollers which obviously leaves no brush marks. The date on the top of the cans is 03/06/08. I was thinking maybe this might be paint that is too old. When I popped open the lid it mixed up easily,rolled on easily. Any thoughts? These are those Home Depot Bellagio interior doors.

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Were they primed first( by you, not factory)?

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the doors had the factory primer on them. I assume from your question that priming them myself will create the overall high gloss finish I am looking for.
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What a good primer does ( primer sealer- ) is make the porosity of the surface sealed and even. This allows the sheen of the paint to not get "sucked" out.
The factory preprime on doors and trim is very poor for this. But at this point, your first coat is acting like the primer, ( the paint and primer BS actually is somewhat true with any acrylic resin paint) . Another coat should take care of it.
Typically on a door like that it is a prime, and 2 finish coats- total 3 times.

Another problem is that you are using High Gloss- which will show every defect and lap very easy, and the waterbornes set up very fast and going back into paint that is starting to set will cause laps. Might be what you are seeing also.
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Lots of good advice already. I will add that technique may be working against you in this case. With Proclassic you must work quickly, meaning you have to lay it on and not mess around. Typically with Proclassic, I like to roll with a mini as you are and then backbrush with my paint brush. Lots of painters would spray these doors, but, I like the technique of rolling and then brushing.........but you gotta be quick about it to maintain a wet edge. If you hesitate for more than a minute, you will have roller marks, holidays, high marks, etc. that will mar your high gloss finish. Make sure you are getting plenty of paint on that roller........it should be soaking wet with paint before you touch the door with it.
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"Flat" spots may appear as tiny wrinkles when magnified. This can be caused by re-coating too soon. Pay attention to the recoat time on the label and allow for the room temperature, A colder area, such as a garage, will slow down the dry/cure process.
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Considering I have 12 of these doors to paint and I am painting the 1st one would I be better off to get another brand or type of paint that is easier to work with due to the fact that this is not my specialty. It sounds like Waterborne is a better choice for an experienced painter. The doors look fine except for these flat looking blotches. Maybe a good coat of primer would have eliminated the problem. I could just prime this door and try it again.
Is high gloss the way to go with satin walls or does anyone recommend a semi gloss? I know I have a couple of questions posed here but I think everyone can help me with this job.
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Satin is a sheen that is different depending on whose satin. If you are using SW- their satin is closer to what BM ( and most others ) would call an eggshell. ( lower sheen- not a flat, but closer to it)
I would use no higher than a semi for the doors. Gloss is hard for even an experienced painter.
And a touch of extender ( XIM, Ben Moores, Flotrol- in order of goodness IMO) does help the workability and open time.
Doors are not easy. This is a fact. They take some practice to be good.
Start with the doors in the least important places, and by the time you have done 24 sides three times you will be pretty good!
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Remember latex/acrylic takes 30 days to surface cure and you cannot really judge but obvious defects until then.

Four year old paint might concern me though. Has it been exposed to temperature or humidity extremes? And when you used it last did you paint from the can or pour the paint off into another container and not return that paint back to the original can? Especially with higher gloss finishes I tried to keep from contaminating the "virgin" (for lack of a better word) paint by painting directly from the can.
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The paint cans are in my garage. We don't have extreme humidity here in southern calif for long periods. We get dry hot weather. I always painted out of the cans but I did notice when I opened the cans they had some rust buildup where the lid sits. I am going to need more of this paint to do 12 doors.
Like I said on an earlier post I primed the door last night and was going to try a coat of the finish. But with everything I am learning from everyone on here the amount of finish in the paint may not be mixing up correctly in the same fashion as it did when I first bought it thus reducing the amount of shine/sheen being applied to the doors. With all the labor ahead of me I should go with a sure bet and just buy a new gallon of paint and cut my losses.
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The paint cans are in my garage. We don't have extreme humidity here in southern calif for long periods. We get dry hot weather. I always painted out of the cans but I did notice when I opened the cans they had some rust buildup where the lid sits. I am going to need more of this paint to do 12 doors.
Like I said on an earlier post I primed the door last night and was going to try a coat of the finish. But with everything I am learning from everyone on here the amount of finish in the paint may not be mixing up correctly in the same fashion as it did when I first bought it thus reducing the amount of shine/sheen being applied to the doors. With all the labor ahead of me I should go with a sure bet and just buy a new gallon of paint and cut my losses.

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I should go with a sure bet and just buy a new gallon of paint and cut my losses.
You are sure about this betting habit of yours? And where should you buy this new gallon of paint? Not at a box store, right?
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Vista Paints - this is where I bought my paint. I hope this outfit looks non boxy enough. LOL
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There was an auto parts store where I bought things when I was much younger and the owner had a sign up on the wall that said,"Buy the best and cry only once". Obviously it has stuck with me all these years.
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Get a magnifying glass and look at the wood fiber in the dull areas. I am guessing the dullness is from courser sanding grits which didn't get sanded out with the finest grain you used on the rest of the doors. Sand what you have with 320 grit wet and dry sand paper, enough to scuff the finish evenly. Apply another layer and see how it looks. It may take a repeat of the whole process and a 4th coat to get it right. Sanding is critical when using gloss finish!

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