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Old 08-10-2013, 08:55 PM   #1
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I'm going to spray the joists and subfloor in my basement shop. I'm going to mask off the insulated ductwork, but everything else is fair game - pipes, wire, whatever.

It's never ever going to be finished - I'm just doing it to brighten it up. I like a bright room, even for a basement workshop, and it really brightens it up.

I want to spend as little as possible on it, but I want it to be technically correct.

Kind of where I'm at now is to shoot it with a coat of Kilz2 ($66) and then a can of the cheap contractor paint called "Speedwall" ($45). I'm not going to worry too much about exact coverage. I more or less plan to start in one corner of the basement with a 5 gal of each and shoot til I run out which puts me into "storage only" area where I don't really need the white.

Does that sound about like the way to go, or can I go lower, or am I already too low on cheapness? I'm thinking I'm not going to need any real durability as far as cleaning or rubbing. I don't really plan on much ever touching it.

I've done it before maybe 15 years ago and I THINK I may have just shot primer and left it, but I'm kind of planning on this being the "rest of my life" house, so I want to do a nice, permanent job, but not go overboard.

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Use the stain blocker primer and your cheap paint---I've done that a few times with good success ---

The stain blocker will help keep the pine from bleeding yellow into the top paint.

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For what your doing- forget the paint. Put the $ into a good stain blocking prime and leave it.
I would recommend Zinsser 123 Plus (AKA Smart Prime)
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Would the "stainblocking primer only" approach get me down to one coat with no paint on top? I liked the idea of one of my coats being $45. Two coats of primer would start to get expensive.

I see the smartprime online, but not locally yet.
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^^^^^^ as BJ suggests. Unless you think you would ever need to wash/rinse it down or something, and given you don't care about coverage.

Not sure, but if you could get a deal, using something like SW Woodscapes in whatever color you want would work too even though it is an exterior product. It requires no primer. I suspect even on sale it will be more than Zinsser 123+ though.

I have mentioned this before, but if you have Habitat ReStore near? I sorted out the paint section for one once. We used to get more than decent, unopened, 5-ers of primer and paint in from large commercial painters and would sell them for next to nothing. They tended to be off-white but not beige or anything (so could not be returned for credit) but that might work for you? Worth a look if you have one near and it takes paint. We almost stopped taking it, at least from consumers, because they felt nothing about using the place as a toxic waste dump and loaded us up with outdated crap.

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The nice thing about Zinsser 1-2-3 is that it actually has a bit of a sheen to it, alot like paint........so definitely consider Brushjockey's approach.
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I concur with the 123 idea. I have used it on ceilings and liked the results. It is a little shiny.

Using primer as a top coat isn't 'technically correct', but it can work... Well.

On a recent rental unit job, I used Kilk2 with some extra white pigment added at the store, for a one coat finish on some smoked up ceilings and it worked great. Had just a touch of sheen, little less than 123.

I also think Sd has a good idea with the solid stain for a one coat job. He mentioned woodscapes, I thought of flood.
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Don't forget to drop plastic on the floor to protect it.
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Does it have to be the 123 plus specifically?

I can't find it locally.

123 is available everywhere.

And yes - in the last week I've dug out every crusty old tarp I've ever owned that's been demoted down to near-trash. I got some Dollar Tree clothesline and hung them up a few at a time and washed them, so I should be set for the floor. Also - while I was at Dollar Tree, they have a whole painting section, including drop cloths. I'm probably good on the floor, but they should be good for draping over the ducts.
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123 is great stuff, but 123 plus ( also know as Smart Prime) is a waterborne alkyd (oil) and so has better stain blocking properties.
If you just use 123, A little knot burn through here and there on basement joist is probably no big deal. If it bothers you spot prime the burns with a rattle can of BIN ( pigmented shellac- great stain sealer) and rehit with your 123.
It might be months or more before the burn through happens.
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Frankly I don't even much care what it looks like, It's just to add light. I'm certainly not going to sweat a knothole!

But the general consensus is that even the regular 123 is superior to Kilz2?
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But the general consensus is that even the regular 123 is superior to Kilz2?[/QUOTE]

I vote yes
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Just a little story. My granddaughter is in college last week she called me because they (her and her roommates) had to paint a room they were moving into. So guess who they called? This room was painted white, really white, and they wanted 2 walls blue, real bright blue. And the walls were a medium knockdown texture. We went to Lowe's and I told them they would probably need 3 or 4 coats to cover the white with the bright blue. They went to the paint dept. and got some Valspar paint (I don't remember the number) it was $10 a gallon, did I mention college students with little money. I went down a couple days later to do touch up and the surprise was on me this stuff had covered very very well. I kind of laughed when they bought it but I guess the last laugh was on me. If I had rentals or flips or just wanted to go cheap I would really further into this stuff. Did I say $10 a gallon?
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[QUOTE=khigh;1228360]Frankly I don't even much care what it looks like, It's just to add light. I'm certainly not going to sweat a knothole!

But the general consensus is that even the regular 123 is superior to Kilz2?[/QUOTE]


absolutely, no doubt abut it, yes, and that's affirmative
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No comparison between the two. The original Kilz solvent based alkyd primer was "not too bad" but the waterbased is more or less worthless.

I think the price point is about the same between the two?

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