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Old 03-06-2011, 06:47 PM   #16
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I am so ashamed. If I had of known that I was being unprofessional by using primer for a ceiling finish I would not have adopted the method back in 2001.

Back then, we researched popcorn texture finishes, and guess what - It's primer with lightweight material added in.

The post about mildew being a problem is a good point. But if you are finishing a basement, moisture prevention should be at the top of the list before you start construction.

The primer ceiling finish method is only used on lower-end homes. Higher-end homes validate using more expensive coatings and the additional time required to make such coatings look good on a ceiling.

Do-it-yourselfers are looking for ways to be more economic, so I was offering the tip with that in mind.

I'm not trying to tell any other professionals that they should be using the method.

I've been using primer as a ceiling finish for a decade now. If it presented a problem, I wouldn't have continued to use it.

The average gloss level of flat paint is 10%, eggshell 25%, satin 35%, semi-gloss 45%, gloss 60% - primer is 5%. This is using a sheen meter with two coats cured for 24 hours with no buffing (which would increase the level).

To the pros: Do what works for you - what you will be proud to attach your name to.

And keep up the great work!

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Back then, we researched popcorn texture finishes, and guess what - It's primer with lightweight material added in.


The primer ceiling finish method is only used on lower-end homes. Higher-end homes validate using more expensive coatings and the additional time required to make such coatings look good on a ceiling.

Do-it-yourselfers are looking for ways to be more economic, so I was offering the tip with that in mind.

The average gloss level of flat paint is 10%, eggshell 25%, satin 35%, semi-gloss 45%, gloss 60% - primer is 5%. This is using a sheen meter with two coats cured for 24 hours with no buffing (which would increase the level).

To the pros: Do what works for you - what you will be proud to attach your name to.

And keep up the great work!

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Exactly, there are circumstances where exceptions are useful. But these guys around here are one size fits all, which isn't real world. I work for a lot of wealthy people, a lot of comfortable people, and some who don't have a lot of money. I need a deep and varied toolbox to meet all those varied customers needs.
  • I recently did a job where I used the Behr paint/primer in one. I took a little hammering for it. I used that product for one customer. Here's her story. She's a widowed grandmother raising her five and seven year old grandchildren, by herself on a fixed income. Since it's a boy/girl, the state required her to separate their sleeping space, not so fast in a two bedroom townhouse. She had to move into the small room and have the master subdivided into two bedrooms, a significant cost. The money I saved her by skipping the primer was appreciated. I notified her of the drawbacks but she said let's do it. It looks fine and she's happy. I've painted for her for years, in better times and now. You have to work with the resources you have available.
I'm sure there are numerous instances, both paint related and financial, where some tricks that ride outside the everyday norm are helpful. As long as the customer is informed and signs off on the deviation, nobody is being taken advantage of. You have to be able to meet the individual needs of your customers, not your ego. It's only a coat of paint. Hey, OP save your political slurs for the political blogs, this is a paint forum. I got your back and this is how you treat me.
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Please use the MPI standards for sheen levels. http://www.paintinfo.com/mpi/approved/sheen.htm
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Not sure if this will change your minds (back to the order of completion) on all this but I don't beilieve I explained myself well enough in my original post. I'm painting the unfinished basement ceiling. So, I'm not talking about drywall, I'm talking about floor joists, pipes, wires, etc. Still frame/drywall first?

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. I'm painting the unfinished basement ceiling. So, I'm not talking about drywall, I'm talking about floor joists, pipes, wires, etc. Still frame/drywall first?

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why do you want to paint the beams and pipes then drywall over them then paint the drywall ?? ...... or are you just drywalling the walls only?
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why do you want to paint the beams and pipes then drywall over them then paint the drywall ?? ...... or are you just drywalling the walls only?
I'm leaving the ceiling unfinished.
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I'm leaving the ceiling unfinished.
Yes, the ceiling first in that case. Rent a sprayer for sure. You'll kill yourself trying to brush and roll it, unless its really small.

Just hang plastic in any areas where over spray/fog will be a problem...doorways, windows, furniture..etc etc. Turn your furnace off too. Not because of flammability, but due to the fact that it could pick up over spray and blow it throughout the home.

Wear a respirator. Not a dust mask, a charcoal filtered respirator.
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Koz, have you thought about an industrial ceiling, I think that's the term, been awhile. Spray the whole thing flat black. I did it couple years ago in a basement set up as a workout room. Looked awesome.
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Koz, have you thought about an industrial ceiling, I think that's the term, been awhile. Spray the whole thing flat black. I did it couple years ago in a basement set up as a workout room. Looked awesome.
That's exactly my plan!
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Nice Koz, I was thinking that if doing an industrial ceiling, it may be better to paint the ceiling after the walls are built and ready for paint. My reasoning is that flat black paint is very delicate and sensitive to touch and dust. If you get a lot of drywall dust that clings to the ceiling surfaces, it may be difficult to clean. It smudges and burnishes easily. If you're a competent with the sprayer, as my guy was, you shouldn't have too much overspray that it causes problems painting the walls. If that's a concern, simply mask the walls with plastic, which would be far easier and less costly than having significant areas of damage to the black from drywall compound dust. It would probably be more than a touch-up solution. Further down the road, handprints or isolated damage can be easily touched up. To clean cobwebs and dust in the future, it would be best to use a shop vac as a blower and blow the dust off, don't think that'll work with drywall dust, at least on new fresh black paint. I work with flat black a lot, trust me.
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