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Old 11-01-2012, 09:28 PM   #16
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all this talk of "good vs bad". but no talk of "why".

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all this talk of "good vs bad". but no talk of "why".
Fair enough.

Why buy an inferior paint product just for the sake of convenience and apparent price point when a better one is availed nearby at the same and similar amount if you just ask for a discount or look for coupons? And with above minimum wage help that actually knows something about it? Just from working mixing paint or even actually holding a paint brush and painting for like more than two weeks since being transferred from the garden department now that it is winter?

Why cave and suggest box store product results are close enough and almost the same as what you really had in mind with regard to actual product or the way you were able to use it?
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Fair enough.

Why buy an inferior paint product just for the sake of convenience and apparent price point when a better one is availed nearby at the same and similar amount if you just ask for a discount or look for coupons? And with above minimum wage help that actually knows something about it? Just from working mixing paint or even actually holding a paint brush and painting for like more than two weeks since being transferred from the garden department now that it is winter?

Why cave and suggest box store product results are close enough and almost the same as what you really had in mind with regard to actual product or the way you were able to use it?
you still didn't say why walmart/etc paint is not as good as "paint store" paint.
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you still didn't say why walmart/etc paint is not as good as "paint store" paint.
Look at the published contents of the can, the descriptions of the chemistry just to start. Start with percentage that is water just to start.

Or easier? Go online and look at the spec sheets for any Benjamin Moore, Sherwin Williams, or other major paint manufacturers paints. Compare to Behr, just to start. If you can find the honest specs.

Go to a trusted site like www.easyrgb.com that converts color codes into major paint manufacturer's color collections. Behr is not there because it is not a player.

Ignore nonsense like Consumer Reports (or at least look at the comments on its own site about Behr ratings) and look at major industry coating ratings of paints. Behr does not even make most lists. It has fallen even on CR this year and only makes it on price point. Do you really think you are going to be proud of your paint job because it was $5 cheaper per gallon?

Ask any real painter who works with paint for a living. Every one of them would be painting with Behr, Valspar, etc. at the price point if it were decent. When was the last time you saw a line up of painter's in whites at a box store in the morning? One in line for box store paint? Like never ever?

And the list goes on.

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Sherwin Williams makes WalMart paint. Behr is a very good paint, as well as Glidden and Benjamin Moore. Ace Hardware paint is very good, since Valspar stopped manufacturing it.
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He's got a point. No wait, maybe 5 points or so...
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SW dummies down there stuff for a price point, and sells it at wallmart, yes.
Theyre there to take your money, go give it to them.
Read SDS's post, slowly.
Actually Ace has some pretty good stuff, and also some not so. there is a difference.
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Here is something that most pros can do, and most DIY 's don't get.
Because of experience using paints - application, overall look and durability, we can go down quite a list of paints by personal experience and tell you little nuances of them that you might not even get.
And that is why we try and advise you to use good materials, because we actually have used them, and know the difference. You might use one and say it worked great- but you have little to compare it to. not so with us.
Do you see that? that is one of the reasons we fight for quality materials.
You do get what you pay for in paint- better ingredients, better science.
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Paint sold in paint stores is not really geared for the homeowner. The big box and the hardware stores sell paint aimed at the consumer. Homeowners want to stick the brush in the can or the roller in the tray and be done with it. If it works well for them, they will come back next time.
Most professionals I know and have worked with can take any paint you throw at them and create a professional looking job. They know the prep, they take the time to do it right and the results show it. Homeowners just want a different color today and the simpler the better for them. Homeowners could care less about viscosity and flashing. To the homeowner "cutting in" is the only skill they know. And for my money I would hire a professional everytime. (I hate to paint)
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Sherwin Williams makes WalMart paint. Behr is a very good paint, as well as Glidden and Benjamin Moore. Ace Hardware paint is very good, since Valspar stopped manufacturing it.
Sherwin Williams caved and gave Dutch Boy as a box store brand.

Behr is horrible paint compared to alternatives from a real paints store at the same price point.

I do not know what ACE sells as a brand name these days.

WalMart and Home Desperate sell Glidden but it is not the same stuff as sold in paint stores here.

Valspar is Blowe's brand.

Why is it so hard for you all to trust us that buy/bought gallons upon gallons of paint everyday when we say if you walk into a real paint store you will walk out with really nice paint you can trust? At the same price point unless you are asking for quart. Box store marketing has you better convinced?



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I do not know what ACE sells as a brand name these days.

Ace Hardware manufacturers their own paint.
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You guys are adults right? Really with the namecalling? Over paint?
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Where exactly are you seeing name calling?
We are discussing the merits of different qualities of paint. Because this is a paint forum.


Now- back to the discussion..
Missouri- It is true that some lines at the paint stores are geared to pros, but if it works good for pros it works good for everyone.
And all of them have lines to compete directly with the Behrs and valspars, they also get the catchphrases that a HO is looking for.
But you have to go to someplace other than where you can also get your lightbulbs and gutters . That is why they are the most popular. Than and driving the small biz out. They're pretty good at that too.
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No argument with that. It's just that homeowners like to be "smoozed" a bit and that generally won't happen at a professional paint store. Professionals already know what they want....homeowners ehhh...not so much. Plus if a homeowner screws up it's likely the big box store will take care of him. He won't get that guarantee from a pro paint shop.
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Well we have different experiences with paint stores then. Here in Mpls/St paul we have 2 excellent chains -Hirshfield's and Abbott Paint, both carry BM and then several other brands. They both service the pro and the homeowner excellently. And they know what they are talking about, because that is all they do. Nobody from appliances is filling in.

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