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Old 02-24-2014, 04:38 PM   #16
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I've begun using Cashmere regularly. SuperPaint was usually my "go to" paint, but I'm really liking the Cashmere. I like the buttery smooth application. The Pearl luster is a bit on the shiny side, almost like a Semi-gloss so I usually use the low-lustre and have had great results so far. Used it in a recent kitchen remodel and in a church sanctuary.

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Old 02-24-2014, 04:55 PM   #17
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I've begun using Cashmere regularly. SuperPaint was usually my "go to" paint, but I'm really liking the Cashmere. I like the buttery smooth application. The Pearl luster is a bit on the shiny side, almost like a Semi-gloss so I usually use the low-lustre and have had great results so far. Used it in a recent kitchen remodel and in a church sanctuary.
I've yet to try the pearl finish but I'm a SuperPaint convert myself, wish I made the switch years ago.

While on the SuperPaint topic they have recently changed the label to say it's a P&Pin1. I didn't notice until I was looking around in my paint pile for a blog post I was writing. Being that I couldn't tell the difference when using it I'm gonna go on a limb and assume they didn't reformulate the paint. Instead they just slapped P&Pin1 on the label.

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Old 02-24-2014, 06:43 PM   #18
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To appease the buying public I presume.
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Old 02-24-2014, 08:18 PM   #19
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Anything different on the back of the label?
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Old 02-24-2014, 08:23 PM   #20
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Anything different on the back of the label?
Not really. They changed the names of all there primers in that time period. As far as I could tell the only difference is it now says "self prime or" then lists the primers below.

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Old 02-25-2014, 08:36 AM   #21
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I've begun using Cashmere regularly. SuperPaint was usually my "go to" paint, but I'm really liking the Cashmere. I like the buttery smooth application. The Pearl luster is a bit on the shiny side, almost like a Semi-gloss so I usually use the low-lustre and have had great results so far. Used it in a recent kitchen remodel and in a church sanctuary.
yep me too .I switched over in the last year ,s/w got my price on cashmere down to my superpaint price .I love it .as a side bar here . I love the box stores ,with out them my s/w prices would be way too high.also when all this p and p came out s/w manger told me superpaint just printed new lables.as he rolled his eyes. p/s cashmere low luster +Purdy ultra finish cover =
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yep me too .I switched over in the last year ,s/w got my price on cashmere down to my superpaint price .I love it .as a side bar here . I love the box stores ,with out them my s/w prices would be way too high.also when all this p and p came out s/w manger told me superpaint just printed new lables.as he rolled his eyes. p/s cashmere low luster +Purdy ultra finish cover =
That's exactly what I did. First I tried it at the higher price, fell in love, and had them match my superpaint price.

I'm getting the flat enamel for $32 not sure if that's a good price or not but whatever.
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I like Cashmere...

But it ain't no paint & primer
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Old 02-25-2014, 01:33 PM   #24
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I think some people are under the mistaken impression that paint and primer in one makes it a one coat paint job and I don't think that's the case. Even though the instructions don't say it on alot of these products, I find you still need 2 complete coats. Paint and Primer in one just means you can use the first layer of the paint as a primer coat and the second layer as a top coat. When you do it that way they are OK but nothing spectacular.

You can probably call it a marketing ploy because some of the manufacturers don't really explain this, and try to convince everybody all you need to do is slap one coat of this stuff on fresh drywall and you are good to go.

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eharri3- your point is right on. Most high quality interior products are self priming, although a certain consumer brand has bastardized the meaning. This is what gives consumerers the impression that they do not have to perform surface prep or clean the surface being painted.
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eharri3- your point is right on. Most high quality interior products are self priming, although a certain consumer brand has bastardized the meaning. This is what gives consumerers the impression that they do not have to perform surface prep or clean the surface being painted.

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So with Cashmere the only issue I've read about is in terms of durability. I have dogs and a 15 month old. Nothing crazy, but the dogs will rub on the walls of course. So have you seen it be adequate in high traffic areas, or should it more be reserved to bedrooms and other lower traffic areas?
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So with Cashmere the only issue I've read about is in terms of durability. I have dogs and a 15 month old. Nothing crazy, but the dogs will rub on the walls of course. So have you seen it be adequate in high traffic areas, or should it more be reserved to bedrooms and other lower traffic areas?
I'd use the low luster in those high traffic areas and the flat enamel on low traffic areas if you prefer a more flat look.

I haven't seen any problems in terms of durability with the low luster.
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Here's my take on it: it really doesn't matter much.

Is there such a thing as "all purpose" paint and primer in one? No. And no manufacturer claims that as far as I know. After all, there are many different types of primers - adhesion, water blocking, oil blocking, color, etc.

I think it's best explained this way. I have used SW SuperPaint with no (separate) primer directly over new drywall, with very good success. I've done this back when the paint label did not say "paint and primer", and I've done it when the paint label did say "paint and primer". Did their formula actually change between those 2 labels? I don't know. I only know it works. So is it that with some quality paint, drywall substrate primer isn't required, or is it that some quality paint includes ingredients that prime drywall substrate? Again I don't know. I suppose that's why some manufacturers refer to it as "self priming" rather than P&P. (Of course the manufacturers themselves continue to confuse this issue - Aura for example says "self priming" in the TDS, but "paint and primer together" on the feature list on the website.)

I believe it's best described by the phrase that ric posted - DTS or Direct To Substrate. That's what's actually going on when it comes to painting drywall, and in some paints it's made perfectly clear that it's covered in their warranty.

I certainly would not attempt to use any P&P to cover water damage stains on drywall, for example. At least not until I was told it works and I then experimented with it Behr's directions say it can be used that way, as a coat, or as spot priming. I've not had an opportunity to try it yet (it would have to be a circumstance where I don't mind experimenting or possibly wasting time.)


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