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Old 04-23-2014, 05:10 PM   #16
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Old 04-24-2014, 07:14 AM   #17
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I haven't had an issue with spot finishing holes and flashing. Just wipe them down well and a tiny little bit of paint after the caulk dries. The holes are so small that even if you did have an issue it would be hard to see, and even then only when the light hits it just right.
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Old 04-24-2014, 10:29 AM   #18
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I haven't had an issue with spot finishing holes and flashing. Just wipe them down well and a tiny little bit of paint after the caulk dries. The holes are so small that even if you did have an issue it would be hard to see, and even then only when the light hits it just right.
I must be doing something wrong, then, b/c mine flash horribly. Of course, it still looks much better than the rest of the house with the pathetic builder "finish".

What do you use to fill in with?
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Old 04-24-2014, 10:44 AM   #19
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I thin he is saying he fills with caulk which will not flash through most any paint. Although unless the holes are very small (pin nails) caulk makes a poor nail hole filler because it shrinks and will show a divot.

A non flashing vinyl spackle like Dap Crackshot will not flash through most paints. That's what I use when trying to cover holes with one coat.

If I'm really seeking perfection in filling nail holes this is a trick I use;
Do a first round of filling with crack shot or putty and sand flush. A lot of times filling the holes one time will leave them imperfectly filled. They may still show a slight indention. After that when I'm going around caulking, I'll put a small blob of caulk on the imperfectly filled holes and knife it down flush with a putty knife. As long as the indention is very shallow, the caulk shrinkage will not make a difference and you will have a perfectly filled hole that won't flash through paint.
It takes a little practice to get the knifing down pat, but its a great way to top off shallow defects in trim.

To your other question about base. In the pre painting trim example, base goes in last after walls and floors are done. Caulk with wall color caulk and cut the base to the wall.
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Old 04-24-2014, 11:18 AM   #20
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Thanks again, everyone.

So, I am reconsidering finishing the trim/base before it is installed and then just touch up/caulk (with the colored caulk where it meets the wall) after installation. The main thing I worry about there is, when I go to install it, it may not fit perfectly and I may have to cut. So, I could end up with some exposed/unpainted corners/etc.

And, I still wonder how to do the line at the wall/ceiling without cutting in twice. It seems that I will have to overspray one or the other (or both). Then it would be a question of following my initial method, or Jmayspaint's initial response:

1. Overspray first finish on ceiling, then overspray first finish on walls (sand overspray), then overspray second finish on ceiling (sand overspray), and finally roll walls and cut in to ceiling with brush (I'm decent at this with a good brush, just slow).

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2. Spray and back roll all coats on walls not worrying about over spraying the ceiling. Let dry a couple days and drape walls with plastic. Sand overspray and spray two finish coats on ceilings.

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3. Other suggestions?

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Old 04-24-2014, 12:09 PM   #21
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Or....... Shield the ceilings after they are finished.

Shielding indoors is an advanced spraying technique. It takes practice, and is especially difficult with dark colors. But it can be done and you might give it a try before resorting to masking. The worst that could happen is you have to touch up the ceiling. Even half a$$ doing it would be better that totally blowing out on the ceilings with the wall color.

This is a poor quality vid of me doing it. I'm wiping the excess paint off of the shield and cutting in as I go, but an easier way is to just shield and then go back and cut in after its dry.
The shield will not leave a perfect line so cutting in is still necessary.

Some painters shield with a two person crew, one person holding the shield and another spraying. The shield needs to be flexible so it can bend to the contours of the wall, and has to be cleaned regularly.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=y...&v=JrVdDN2AbuU
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Thanks Jmayspaint, that helps. So, at that point, you would have already applied both finish coats on the ceiling, right (assumingly by just overspraying onto walls)?

Is that just a piece of cardboard attached to a drywall knife?
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Thanks Jmayspaint, that helps. So, at that point, you would have already applied both finish coats on the ceiling, right (assumingly by just overspraying onto walls)?

Is that just a piece of cardboard attached to a drywall knife?

Yes, and yes.

That day I was using cardboard taped to a 12" drywall knife. A lot of times I will use the aluminum shields that you can buy at paint stores.

Cardboard can be a little less hassle because you can just get a new piece instead of having to keep cleaning the shield.
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Ok, so, based on all the feedback, here is the new (hopefully easier / more idiot-proof) plan:

1. Spray primer all walls / ceilings with PVA drywall primer.

2. Spray primer on uninstalled trim / base / doors (with Zinsser 123?).

2.b. Spray finish coat(s) trim / base / doors

3. Spray finish coats on ceilings not worrying about overspray (back roll? sand overspray?)

4. Spray and back roll all coats on walls using paint shield at ceiling

5. Cut in ceiling, and fix any overspray from shield

5. Prep and install finished trim / base / doors. Fill holes and touch up.

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Ok, so, based on all the feedback, here is the new (hopefully easier / more idiot-proof) plan:

1. Spray primer all walls / ceilings with PVA drywall primer.

2. Spray primer on uninstalled trim / base / doors (with Zinsser 123?).

2.b. Spray finish coat(s) trim / base / doors

3. Spray finish coats on ceilings not worrying about overspray (back roll? sand overspray?)

4. Spray and back roll all coats on walls using paint shield at ceiling

5. Cut in ceiling, and fix any overspray from shield

5. Prep and install finished trim / base / doors. Fill holes and touch up.

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That sounds like a winner to me. That's pretty much how I did my last NC.


1. PVA can be fine, but sometimes it has problems flashing on new drywall. Last time I used it I had to prime twice to get rid of the flashing.

2. 123 is a great trim primer.

3. I would back roll ceiling finish. It helps hide spray tracks and aids touch up. Shouldn't need to sand overspray unless its especially heavy.

5. You may want a final complete coat on the trim after instillation. Having it pre finished makes the final coat easier.
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Thanks again, Jmayspaint! Almost there!

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That sounds like a winner to me. That's pretty much how I did my last NC.

1. PVA can be fine, but sometimes it has problems flashing on new drywall. Last time I used it I had to prime twice to get rid of the flashing.
Ok, I was thinking PVA was the best for new drywall. What would you recommend instead?

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5. You may want a final complete coat on the trim after instillation. Having it pre finished makes the final coat easier.
I would prefer to do this to get a more consistent finish, but that would mean I would need to mask off the wall, right? If so, hopefully it wouldn't pull any paint off the finished wall when it is removed.

Also, I forgot about flooring installation. In the revised plan, since I was going to be putting up finished trim, I was going to install the flooring before installing the finished trim (laminate everywhere except bath, which will be tile). But, if I spray a final finish coat, I guess I would need to hold off on the flooring install. That should be fine for the laminate, but not sure about the tile. I guess the bathroom is small enough that I could install the tile first, then the base, and brush the final coat instead of spray.
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I would brush, or roll with a mini roller and back brush, the final coat on the trim, like the example method in post #4. The edges are already done and it would just need to be faced off. If you have to mask everything for the final coat, you've lost a lot of the time gained by pre finishing the trim.
Of course, that may all work out differently for you depending on your experience hand painting.

Good luck and let us know how it goes.
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I would brush, or roll with a mini roller and back brush, the final coat on the trim, like the example method in post #4. The edges are already done and it would just need to be faced off. If you have to mask everything for the final coat, you've lost a lot of the time gained by pre finishing the trim.
Of course, that may all work out differently for you depending on your experience hand painting.

Good luck and let us know how it goes.
Thanks again. I misread your post and thought you said to spray the final coat. I can do it by hand though.

I should finish my 2nd coat of mud today, so hopefully it won't be too long now before I'm painting.
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Well, here we are 2 weeks later and I am finally finished with my 3rd coat of drywall (sanded and touched up). I have had a few things come up that kept me away for a bit (HVAC condensate drain backed up and flooded the system, wife's van sprung a big hole in the condenser - all as this lovely Georgia heat is kicking in high gear).

Anyway, I did have one unanswered question for anyone who cares to comment:

We will be using a very dark blue for one of our colors (see this post). I have read that it is good to tint the primer gray in this case. I happen to have a few gallons of ZINSSER
Bulls Eye Water-Base Primer (this stuff) that is already primed gray. For bare drywall, would you use this since I already have it, or would you save some of the PVA primer and have it tinted gray (I have a 5-gallon bucket of it)? Or, would you just not worry about tinting at all? Thanks!
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Use the 123 you already have tinted. And thanks for the update.

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