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Old 05-27-2009, 07:44 PM   #16
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They said this Super is guaranteed to be one coat coverage...
WOW!!!
When did that start?

Sorry, their marketing dept or sales managers, or individual retail sales personnel, must be having some sort of fits or hallucinations or something

SuperPaint is not my favorite paint, but it's not bad
But is by no means a "one coat paint" any more than any other "slightly less than premium" line, which SuperPaint is), or any other "premium" or "ultra-premium" line

I wouldn't even call Cashmere or Deep Colors/Accents (excellent deep color paints)...or for that matter Ben Moore's Aura (top dog in deep colors) a "One Coat Paint Guaranteed" Paint

I'll let you in on a little secret...we painters have been looking for the True One Coat Paint since we were mashing berries with stones and smearing dead things on cave walls
We do know the signs of the coming of the True One Coat paint
It is foretold by our elders:
The Only True One Coat Paint is applied by Fairies Riding Unicorns

My question is:
Who said that this SuperPaint is the True One Coat Paint and will they put it in writing?
I've got some Paint Zealots to assemble (actually we meet this Tuesday Night), and I'd like some more information on how to proceed
Like should we budget for rocks for a stoning, palms for a parade (maybe both!)...or perhaps some other sort of Roman Justice (crucifixion) or Accolade (Godhood)?
...no biggie really...just wondering....


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Old 05-27-2009, 07:49 PM   #17
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...oops...sorry...went off there a bit
My point is, even their best paint isn't "one-coat guaranteed" paint

Seriously...who said that?
Is it in writing?
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Old 05-27-2009, 09:28 PM   #18
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Thanks Chris...I did plan to change from 3/8 to 1/2" nap for the next room. The guy at SW suggested that when I told him of the problem. He said the Super paint was guaranteed one coat coverage, but I still plan to use two coats. I think two coats give a more true color and especially the depth of color. Also, someone else on here mentioned that any yellow based color is hard to work with, so that might have something to do with the problem. Oh well, I'll keep you guys posted when I start the next room. It's been fun and a learning experience, but this is hard work, lol. I was used to being in an office all my life, not on a ladder...but I still like
it. Guess if I was younger I'd have more stamina for this ladder, ya think??
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Well Slick...I don't know the guy's name (senior moment I guess) but it's the SW store in Huntington, WV (304-525-9103). The front of the can says one-coat hide and also says 25-year warranty. No, they did not give me a written guarantee (does anyone anywhere, lol?) However, they gave me 3 gallons in exchange for what I had purchased in the Classic 99. They upgraded it at no charge because I was very unhappy with the Classic. Because they upgraded at no addl charge, I had to sign an agreement releasing them, lol. Therefore, I don't even have a receipt to go back on if the paint does fail. But I did tell him, if this paint doesn't do any better in the next room, then I'll go back to the Kilz paint which I used in two rooms with no problems at all. I had used the same color in a hallway only Kilz instead of SW (weekend and they were closed). It covered beautifully and looks great. (Kilz paint is guaranteed one-coat coverage, l0l. I used only one coat in the kitchen and it looks great, but if I was doing it over I would do two coats. It was a "whoops" that it only got one. Guess I got a little ahead of myself on that one, lol.

So anyway, the guy at SW says he's used this Super paint and it was great for him (but he's a salesman). We'll see what happens. I'll keep you posted.
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Old 05-27-2009, 11:08 PM   #20
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OMG...the ongoing problem with the SW Classic 99. After all this, I just noticed I have some shiny spots. So what's up with that. The other three rooms don't have this problem and two of them are semi-gloss (kit/bath). The other room is Kilz satin in same color as the SW and that room looks great. Btw...after about 24-36 hours the SW paint would separate in the can. When I told the SW guy that he said is is possibly a bad batch and they will analyze it. Ever had that type of problem??
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I'm interest in you posting because I'm looking for interior paints myself. So I'm offering some of my research that seems to be relevant to your painting problems.

Just in case you haven't seen it, several reasonably priced interior paints rated at the top in ConsumerReport's ratings, and are better than average in its hiding ability. The rankings here is CR overall rank. I have included only the ones with better-than-average hiding ability, unless noted otherwise.

(Low luster paints)
#1. Behr Premium Plus Enamel (Home Depot) $24/gallon
#3. Kilz Casual Colors (Walmart) $23/gallon
#4 Benjamin Moore Aura $57/gallon

For comparison...
#17 Sherwin-Williams Harmony $39/gallon (rated worst than average for hiding ability)

(Flat paints) these are rated slightly differently among the brands:
#1 Behr Premium Plus Enamel (Home Depot) $22/gallon
#6 Sherwin-Williams Harmony $36/gallon (only average in hiding ability)
#9 Kilz Casual Colors (Walmart) ($19/gallon) - has better than average hiding ability

The middle-of-the-pack hiding ability may explain some of the problems you are seeing with SW paint, but you really need to check out the Consumer Report for 2008/2009 and check out all eight test criteria that makes up the overall ranking. Some of those criterias, such as hiding ability, may be much more important to you than something like 'mildew resistance' or 'fading'.

Not all the pro's agree with what ConsumerReports say, but a contractor approves of my choice my choice of an exterior paint based on ConsumerReport June 2009 rankings. Hope this helps.
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dpny...thanks for your input. Apparently the Classic 99 was a bad batch and not a common problem. They replaced it with the Superpaint which was very good in application and looks great. I am happy with the Superpaint. I use Satin for the living areas and semi-gloss for kitchen and baths.

As far as your recommendations, I have used Behr paint once and that was enough for a lifetime. That is by far the worst paint I've ever used. However they do have beautiful colors to chose from, but most anyone can mix their colors.

The Kilz Casual Colors - I used it in two rooms and had no problems. It applied well and looks very good.

The Ben More line - unfortunately I cannot get it here. It's available about 40 miles from here, but not the Aura line. Was told it's an additional $20,000.00 just to set up the display, lol.

So since SW is only a few blocks from here, that will continue to be my mostly one-stop shop for paints.

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