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saggdevil 05-26-2009 02:40 PM

Paint Not Sticking
HELP!!! :furious::icon_cry: The walls were clean and dust free (washed twice). I applied two coats of Zinsser 123 and two coats of SW. I had a lot of streaks showing light (obviously the first coat showing thru). I repainted about half of the room again to cover this and still have several areas showing through needing the 4th coat. What's the problem :censored: !!!
I'm losing my mind on this project :icon_confused:. This room is way too large and too much detail to do it again. I have 3 more rooms to go this size (including stripping walls of old painted paper) and don't need this type problem again. Any advice to avoid some of this repeat work?

Btw...I took ChrisN's advice and got a Wooster Sherlock roller, Purdy White Dove (cleaned of lint) sleeves and a Purdy brush.

LeviDIY 05-26-2009 02:42 PM

Dry time for the primer? first coat? (Sorry, only question that came to mind... sounds like you are certainly using the right PRODUCTS)

saggdevil 05-26-2009 02:56 PM

Paint not sticking
I let the primer dry about 24 hours or so and then did another coat. Several days before I painted. Then 24-30 hours between coats of paint.
I did another room same way with Kilz paint and had no problems. The color is soft pale gold.

Matthewt1970 05-26-2009 05:03 PM

I am assuming the coats of primer were white, then there is your problem. Gold is like yellow and that it is a VERY tough color to get to cover. Going from whatever color your walls are now to a white primer is not really going to help. Get the primer tinted or maybe just skip the primer and just do 2-3 coats of the gold color.

saggdevil 05-26-2009 08:30 PM

Yes, the primer was white. I have talked to SW and the guy said I probably didn't have enought paint on the roller and should go to at least a 1/2" nap which is what the contractors use (I used 3/8"). This just seems strange, as I have already done 3 rooms with no problem (Kilz paint which went on as well if not better than the SW). The SW guy said he'd upgrade the paint from Classic 99 to Super something. So that is what I'll use for the next three rooms as they will be the same color. But a lot of that :censored: wallpaper will have to removed first. It's years of painted wallpaper over painted wallpaper :eek:. I wonder if SW would tint the Zinsser primer for me or can I use poor some paint in with it to tint??
Thanks for your advice. I need all the help I can get, lol. However even though the dinning room had 3 coats in half the room and one area with 4 coats, the room looks beautiful and professionally done.

By the way, the reason for the primer was because I had so many wall repairs and had stripped one wall of paper.

chrisn 05-27-2009 04:48 AM

I wonder if SW would tint the Zinsser primer yes they will:thumbsup:

or can I use poor some paint in with it to tint?? NO, do not do that!:no:

saggdevil 05-27-2009 07:42 AM

So Chris, should I forget the primer and prime only repair spots or have primer tinted and cover the whole room?

And I used two coats of prime in the dining room because the walls had some gas heat smoke on them and lots of repairs.

And is it necessary ever to use two coats of primer or was that just extra time and work on my part?

RegeSullivan 05-27-2009 08:07 AM

I have never found an occasion to use two coats of primer of the correct primer for a particular job.


saggdevil 05-27-2009 09:43 AM

OMG....I am not believing this. After repainting some areas 3 times and some four times, I am now seeing several spots directlly under the ceiling where light is showing through on the cut in area. Guess I missed those yesterday when I did the 4th coat on some areas. This is just unbelievable.:furious:
:confused1: I don't know whether to keep using the SW or not as I have 3 more large difficult rooms to do. I did the first room of this color with Kilz paint with no problems at all. :help: :icon_confused: So what would you do?
:) SW is willing to replace the unusued and partial used gallon with the Super.... something grade. I really need some input here folks. Just not sure to continue this large job with SW or go back to Kilz paint. I'm using Kinsser 123 primer. Thanks so much for all your help. :)

poppameth 05-27-2009 09:47 AM

Using Super Paint may be the problem. There have been a few posts about problems with Super Paint showing streaking on certain colors lately. Tell them to upgrade you to Duration because you are tired of dealing with the issues Super Paint is sticking you with.

saggdevil 05-27-2009 09:54 AM

I used the Classic 99. I currently have that on these walls being covered and it still looks good after 20 years. A pro did it along with some wallpaper, but he did not do a great job on the paper. So that's why I went with the Classic 99 again. SW is going to upgrade it to the Super.... so that's what I'll have for the next three areas. If it's a problem paint, maybe I should request the Duration. I'm not sure what to do here, as I am very discouraged with this SW paint....maybe it's the colors as someone mentioned earlier. I think it was Matthew.

creamaster 05-27-2009 01:34 PM

I ues nothing but SW paint and love it. The Classic 99 is SW's low end quality paint, it stinks to high heaven and doesnt seem to apply as well as the Super or Duration. I did my sons room with Classic and the living room with Duration. Ive only used Super paint for exterior cedar siding so far and that has been excellent. The Duration is by far the better product with less VOC's and it covers better than the Classic and Super, but you will pay more for it, around here it goes for about 40$ a gallon so I try to get it when they have a sale. Ive never used Zinsser before but did you ask the SW guy if their paint would be ok on top of this? Im assuming it shouldnt be a problem.

I use SW roller covers, 3/8 inch is all you should beed for smooth walls,I think 1/2" is too much nap and wont be smooth looking.

I love Purdy brushes but for cutting in I seem to get a better line with a SW brush made for latex paint only, not sure why. I like to use a 2" cut in brush.

I use the SW primer and only 1 coat of it. Then I put on 2 coats of SW paint, even if its Duration as it gives a nice coat that leaves no streaks. Ive not had any issues so far with SW paint. Hope you get it figured out.

sirwired 05-27-2009 02:05 PM

I have a feeling your roller technique may need some work. How are you using the roller? Most folks here use a 3/8" roller... The "standard" technique is to load the roller, do a single 8' - 10' floor-to-ceiling stripe, backroll once or twice, re-roll the previous stripe once or twice, and then reload and move on to the next stripe. If you try and cover more than that, or "squeeze" paint out of the roller, you WILL end up with a streaky mess. Let the roller do the work; don't press on it.


saggdevil 05-27-2009 04:13 PM

Well, I don't really know what the problem is unless it was the roller technique. I usually did two two stripes coverage with a loaded roller; so maybe I stretched it too thin.

Anyway, some walls have 3 coats and some have 4. And it still needs some areas touched up.

SW replaced the paint for me this afternoon with the Super Paint; however I had to sign a hold harmless agreement, lol. They said this Super is guaranteed to be one coat we'll see. If it doesn't work in next room, then I'm going back to the Kilz paint. The Super is $45 or $46 per gallon here. I will be using the Zinsser primer again, but will have SW tint it for me when I start the next room. I need a few weeks break. as I have been doing this 3 months now and I'm tired. :)

chrisn 05-27-2009 06:06 PM

They said this Super is guaranteed to be one coat we'll see

Don't bet on it.
Get yourself a good 1/2 in roller and see if that will make a difference.

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