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Old 04-17-2011, 12:40 PM   #1
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I'm wanting to do paint & grain on a couple of cupboards that are currently glossed. Would the following plan work?;

Electric sander, primer, then paint and grain? Xx

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Hey Amanda,
Before you begin sanding I would suggest you wash the cupboards first using TSP. Secondly, when you say prime...what primer do you plan to use?

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Hey Amanda,
Before you begin sanding I would suggest you wash the cupboards first using TSP. Secondly, when you say prime...what primer do you plan to use?
Thanyou, I shall buy some terps to get started then!
Going to struggle with the detailed parts of the door with the sander though I think.

I'm not sure what primer it is that I've got, just a tin of white primer that I bought to paint a plastic coated chest of drawers so I could change the colour.
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If you use TSP be sure to rinse well with clear water. As to the sanding, you don't need to get too far into the detail. The proper bonding primer will handle the adhesion in those areas. The idea of light sanding is to smooth the surface somewhat and further support the bonding primer. Since you purchased it to paint what you did, it probably has a bonding quality. Check the label to confirm. If it's not a bonder, you need to increase the sanding effort or buy a specific bonding primer.
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Do the back side of one door as test............
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Thank you all for your help, made a step by step list from what you've all told me and I think I know what I'm doing now!

Do I need any specialty stuff to take the terps off so it doesn't affect the primer going on?

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Thank you all for your help, made a step by step list from what you've all told me and I think I know what I'm doing now!

Do I need any specialty stuff to take the terps off so it doesn't affect the primer going on?
If by terps you mean turps or turpentine (technically not the same thing), I would suggest not using that as a cleaner. They are both good degreasers but could leave an oily residue on the surface. As degreasers, they're generally used on things not intended for painting. I will generally use paint thinner as a spot degreaser, but never as a whole cabinet system cleaner. There are a number of cleaners designed for paintable surfaces such as TSP and Dirtex and KrudKutter to name a few. They're safer to use and easier on the body. Keep it simple.
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Excellent, thankyou!
I shall get some TSP and just wipe it down with a damp cloth when finished then. Xx
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Amanda,
Trisodium phosphate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trisodium_phosphate Turps is what the old timers used to call paint thinner......an oil by-product.
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Thankyou for your help

Spoke to people at a couple of DIY stores too and combined with your advise, looks like I may have a plan of action, please tell me what you think!

*Chip off loose gloss from surface (it's coming away quite easily)
*Go over surface with TSP
*Remove doors as the the hinges have gloss all over them and should be replaced
*Fill in any chips with wood filler
*Once over with the electric sander
*Dust down thoroughly
*Apply ESP primer
*Use paint and grain
*Put doors back on new hinges when dry
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Hi Amanda,
Sounds very general, but that sounds good.
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Rinse, rinse and then rinse again that TSP, then rinse it again with clean water or you will have a disaster on you're hands.
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ESP primer?????
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I'm now thinking of just missing out the TSP, the surface doesn't look that difficult once the thick gloss is peeled away.

ESP (easy surface primer) is apparently the strongest primer on the market, it sticks to just about any smooth surface and creates a rough paint finish (a bit like dry wall) so paint can be applied on top.

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