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jrp67 11-29-2012 11:59 AM

Paint coming off the walls
 
Hi,

My name is Jim and I have a problem with paint coming off my walls when something is leaning against them for a period of time. The problem is, that when I go to relocate the item (gun in a gun case for this example) it is stuck to the wall? I can see this being a problem if the wall was freshly painted, but the paint is 6 yrs old? We tore the drywall where it was leaning against. The other day, we went to remove an ironing board that was leaning against the wall and the same thing happened - different room, different color of paint. It actually is tearing into the dryway when we try to remove.

Has anyone else seen this or have a solution to our problem?

Any help would be much appreciated.

Jim

Brushjockey 11-29-2012 12:07 PM

What is happening is the latex paint is forever sticky. This will usually happen with cheaper paints that use lower quality resins.
Do you know exactly what the paint was?

user1007 11-29-2012 02:52 PM

Latex products, especially cheap ones as BJ mentions, are more prone than good acrylics.

Of course there could be an adhesion problem because of poor surface prep or a primer was needed and not applied.

Gymschu 11-29-2012 02:58 PM

BJ & Sdsester are right on it as always. My guess is poor prep, meaning that there was probably a semi-gloss paint on the wall and someone painted over it without scuff sanding to remove some of that gloss. The new paint never properly adhered, especially if it was a cheap paint full of chalky filler material.

chrisn 11-29-2012 04:56 PM

to all three of you

after 6 years?:huh:

Brushjockey 11-29-2012 05:23 PM

I've seen some old style latex stay rubbery for ever- particularly if it was "semi gloss"

user1007 11-29-2012 07:10 PM

Chris. Good point. But I have encountered six year old paint, usually vinyl latex compounds, that can be peeled off in sheets.

Gymschu 11-29-2012 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrisn (Post 1063174)
to all three of you

after 6 years?:huh:

Chris, it may be that they are just discovering this problem after leaning heavy items against the wall. I have seen apartment repaints where there was a loose area in a lower corner, someone picked and pulled on it and the whole wall came off in sheets. Not common but the apt hadn't been painted in 7 or 8 years.

chrisn 11-30-2012 03:25 AM

I guess it could happen as you all have pointed out, just never seen what the op posted after that length of time.

jrp67 11-30-2012 06:35 AM

Thanks for all the responses, which all makes sense but here are some more details that might narrow this down.
  • The paint applied 6 years ago was the first time the house was painted (new construction)
  • The walls were all primered by the construction company - they used a spray primer and my wife and I painted
  • We used BEAR paint purchased from home Depot -Thought it was good quality..
  • The items leaning up against the wall are considerably light (gun case, ironing board) Last night we went through the house and found that all of our pictures are stuck as well. Even small contact areas from the picture frames.
Thanks Jim

Brushjockey 11-30-2012 07:38 AM

If they sprayed on primer without back rolling to work it in and the walls were still dusty from the sanding- that would be one reason for bad adhesion.
And behr , particularly its lower lines, has been known to have this problem.

Gymschu 11-30-2012 08:29 AM

.........yet another reason to avoid BEHR paint at all costs, not to mention the crappy primer most builders apply to the walls, usually the cheapest they can find.

jrp67 11-30-2012 09:29 AM

Thanks again all for the great information and now my next set of questions:)
  • I would like to repaint, is there anything I need to do special for prep with the issues that I am currently having or can I just paint over this problem?
  • I am also looking for a recommendation on Paint - Something with primer already in the paint if thats recommended.
Jim

user1007 11-30-2012 09:43 AM

Jim primer and paint do not come in the same can. It is pure marketing hype.

For your situation, you should remove as much peeling, chipping, otherwise failing paint as you can. Prime with a high bond waterbased primer. Then using a nice wide drywall blade and drywall compound, skim coat the walls as needed to blend in the areas where you peeled off paint. Prime the drywall patching. Apply two nice coats of real paint store finish. Buy as close to 100 percent acrylic as your budget will allow.

ToolSeeker 11-30-2012 03:10 PM

Guys maybe I'm reading this wrong or maybe reading too much into it, but if this paint has been on for 6 years and stuff is just starting to stick to it, and surely in 6 years something has leaned against it. Then it almost sounds like the paint is just starting to soften. I don't have a clue what would cause this, but if this is true I don't think you can just paint over it could you.
Maybe Ric knows paint would have an answer or a theory.


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