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Old 05-18-2009, 12:30 PM   #1
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Hey all! I am trying to seperate all the colours and give more detail with black lines. I started today with a #6 round nylon artist brush but was not able to keep the line even enough. Can someone give me guidance?

This is my first mural and it has gone well so far, if I mess up the black lines though I am cooked!

My only thought is to use an oversized paint marker if I can find one.

I am using Para Ultra acrylic latex semi gloss if it matters.

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Hmmm... maybe try to find a wide-tip Rapidograph pen from an art or drafting supply? Although I'm not sure artists ink would adhere to paint. A sharpie is not going to provide enough hide.


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Old 05-18-2009, 05:26 PM   #3
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i'd use permanent black W-I-D-E tipped 'sharpie' brand markers. it'll give you a FAT half-inch line to work with. (very cartoony) i used them to do a huge spiderman on a friend's wall. it's still there and looks awesome 10+ years later.
buy a few, you'll use them fast using the entire fat edge. if it leaves it too flat or too shiny, just spray clear gloss or clear satin to blend.
(not too thick or it'll run the ink.)
i would not try to use india ink, it'd dry and flake off paint.....
(nice Doctor Suess style there.... where's Horton going to be?)

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Nice, good ideas!

I like the sounds of the sharpie! But I don't see anything called 'wide'.. the largest on the website appears to be the Sharpie Magnum Permanent Marker and it doesn't say how big the tip is? I guess I will have to hunt some down to see for myself.

And no Horton on this wall.. although, I have Cat In The Hat knobs on the closet and a Green Eggs and Ham light switch cover. Before long I plan to customize a white cieling fan to replace that aweful light fixture as well.

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http://www.dickblick.com/products/copic-wide-markers/

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I don't think it would look as nice as it does now if you outlined it in black.
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the outlining would make a big difference. look in any Dr. Suess book! to me it looks unfinished.

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I am with you DM. I want it to look like the book.
I do see Newb's point, it will be more in your face and less subtle then it is now once the black is in. I think my wife feels the same way, but she will get used to it if I change it and add the black.

Have you used the Copic markers on a wall before DM?

It's been a long day, I will put this off yet again.
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i used them to do a huge spiderman on a friend's wall. it's still there and looks awesome 10+ years later.
yup, covered blue and red just fine. except i could have swore sharpie made them, but it was a while ago too......

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you mean these markers?

I couldn't find a dimension on the Sharpie site but a little looking around I found one place that said 1/2 inch. I have had a few of these and I believe they are bigger than 1/2 inch.

this site says 5/8"

http://shopping.msn.com/specs/sanfor...illable-1-each

I would have sworn I had a marker (sanford/sharpie) that was near 1 inch wide.

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I was thinking about this all day long and I came to the conclusion a brush may be the better instrument. A felt tip marker is quite unforgiving for when you wiggle a bit where a brush will help the line flow smoothly since the tip is following the base and the length of the bristles will help eliminate a jerky line.

If you feel you cannot maintain a consistent pressure and will end up with a varied width line, maybe consider a flat brush that the width would be altered less by a difference in either pressure or angle.

one thing that would be good to do before you touch the wall with marker or brush;


practice on something you can clean or dispose of.
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In the Dr. Seuss books, the black outlining isn't perfect. It looks like it is done freehand. The thickness of the lines varies.
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In the Dr. Seuss books, the black outlining isn't perfect. It looks like it is done freehand. The thickness of the lines varies.
that's cool but I just thought the marker would make the variations too distinct or sharp while the brush would tend to smooth the variations a bit.
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that's cool but I just thought the marker would make the variations too distinct or sharp while the brush would tend to smooth the variations a bit.
That's true, and with a brush the lines would be tapered nicely at the ends as they are in the Dr. S books. But with a paint brush you'd have to stop to re-load it. A marker would be one consistant line.

If you decide to go with a wide marker, you might be able to find one at a store that sells educational or teacher supplies.

Here's something else to consider. Any mistake you make with a permanent marker can be erased with rubbing alcohol on a rag. Removing paint mistakes would be a little more difficult once the paint is dry.

Nap made a good suggestion. Practice on something. Test the paint brush and the marker.

Good luck, you're doing a great job so far.
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I have tried a brush and plan to move on to the marker. I will make lines come to a point and vary the width using a marker.. I totally agree about having to reload a small paintbrush. The stop and go on top of the fact that I am not steady enough to begin with with a brush is a bad combo.

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