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Old 03-18-2007, 11:09 AM   #1
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Is it nessessary to prime?


I just sprayed knockdown on my walls and ceilings that where perviously painted. Do i need to prime everything before i paint or not? Would 2 coats of color work fine without priming

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I always prime drywall and texture before painting and apply 2 coats of finish paint. A flat or satin finish looks best on textured walls in fact I always use Ben Moore Ulti Mat.

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As Darylh said...a good practice is to prime anything that is 'raw drywall' material of 'one kind or another' ...... prior to applying your topcoats of paint.
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Yup, it's time to prime
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Old 03-19-2007, 10:38 PM   #5
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The knockdown texture is the same as drywall joint compound. It's the same as going with paint on newly taped drywall. You can get away with a self priming flat paint, but it's a cheesy way to go.

Priming is the proper way to go.
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We prime before AND after doing any texturing or repairs.
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Texturing actually sticks better to bare drywall.
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Absolutely, but he said it was painted...and who knows with what.
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Yes the room was a finished room that i sprayed knockdown in. I primed and am waiting to pick a color. Question, what would have happened if i did not prime? What primer do you use and why? I used kilz and its as thick as glue, is that how all primers are? Thanks for all of the advise. The room is looking great.
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What Kilz did you use? there's over 1/2 dozen Kilz primers

Some primers go on like Elmer's glue, but usually those are for specific purposes (high blockers, etc...)
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Question, what would have happened if i did not prime? What primer do you use and why?
If you did not prime before applying the texture to a wall painted with old oil base paint there could be an adhesion problem.

Applying a finish coat on unprimed texture/drywall will cause flashing and poor adhesion.

flashing : Uneven gloss or color resulting from an unsealed substrate or excessively high or low temperatures during drying.

We use Zinsser primers 95% of the time, Dunn-Edwards the other 5%. It is not unusual for us to use almost as much primer on a job as we use for the finish coats (minimum two coats), especially on houses that have seen major neglect.
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kilz2 latex
OK
Right product from that line for that application
It's just not a very good primer, that's all
It'll be fine for now, but next time I'd suggest using something else
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Hey Slick, have you guys ever used "Guardz"?

Every paint store around here shakes their head when I ask for it, it looks like it might be the hot ticket for drywall.
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Hey Slick, have you guys ever used "Guardz"?
Oh yeah, it's a real miracle in a can
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Every paint store around here shakes their head when I ask for it,
Try a different paint store
make sure it's a paint store, not a paint department somewhere, there's a big difference
Ben Moore or Sherwin Williams, or a true contractor supplier with quality coatings should have it
...try in the wallpaper section if it's not with the rest of the Zinsser stuff on the paint side
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it looks like it might be the hot ticket for drywall.
New drywall?
You could I suppose
Not really the best stuff though
Sloppy as all get out and no "white" what so ever...it's clear

But when you've got a problem area, chalky paint, ripped or tearing drywall, 80 year old wallpaper adhesive that won't come off, Gardz is the stuff

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