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chill8 08-29-2012 09:09 PM

Need some suggestions on SW paints
 
Hello everyone, first post from a newbie painter here.

We've decided to paint our recently purchased condo and are in the market for paints. After quite a bit of research I've narrowed down the options to BM Aura, Behr Premium Ultimate Plus and SW. However BM ($72/gallon) and Behr ($47/gallon) are now pretty much out of consideration after I find out that SW is having a 40% off sale for all their products. So the question now is which line of SW would be a better choice?

Emerald claims to be their top-of-the-line product and the price is really temping at about $40/gallon after discount. But it's only recently introduced and I read some mixed reviews here in the forum and on the SW website. Should I go for that or should I choose something safer such as Duration and Cashmere? And regarding to sheens, does it only come down to personal preferences? Are there any advantages or disadvantages for certain sheens for interior use?

I've done some reading on painting but I'd really appreciate if I could get some tips from you kind folks here. Any kinds of tips are welcomed, techniques, tools and etc. For example, I'm thinking of getting one of this from Amazon, would that be a good idea?

Thank you all in advance!

(I originally posted this on the painttalk forum but I didn't realize that's the forum for professional painting contractors. The moderator there suggested that I post in here)

Gymschu 08-29-2012 09:18 PM

As a lifelong user of SW paints, I highly recommend SuperPaint. No gimmicks, nothing fancy, just a hard-working, durable paint. It has always been my "go to" paint. Duration, Cashmere, Harmony, etc. are all quality paints, but, for the money and ease of use, SuperPaint cannot be beat.

chill8 08-29-2012 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Gymschu (Post 999403)
As a lifelong user of SW paints, I highly recommend SuperPaint. No gimmicks, nothing fancy, just a hard-working, durable paint. It has always been my "go to" paint. Duration, Cashmere, Harmony, etc. are all quality paints, but, for the money and ease of use, SuperPaint cannot be beat.

Thank you Gymschu! I didn't notice if they have SuperPaint when I was in store yesterday, but I'll definitely check with them as soon as we decide on colors.

Brushjockey 08-29-2012 10:17 PM

Bm also has Regal Select, Ben, Ultra Spec for less than Aura.
I use alot of Regal select, used some today. Nice paint.

ric knows paint 08-29-2012 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by chill8 (Post 999393)
Hello everyone, first post from a newbie painter here.

We've decided to paint our recently purchased condo and are in the market for paints. After quite a bit of research I've narrowed down the options to BM Aura, Behr Premium Ultimate Plus and SW. However BM ($72/gallon) and Behr ($47/gallon) are now pretty much out of consideration after I find out that SW is having a 40% off sale for all their products. So the question now is which line of SW would be a better choice?

Emerald claims to be their top-of-the-line product and the price is really temping at about $40/gallon after discount. But it's only recently introduced and I read some mixed reviews here in the forum and on the SW website. Should I go for that or should I choose something safer such as Duration and Cashmere? And regarding to sheens, does it only come down to personal preferences? Are there any advantages or disadvantages for certain sheens for interior use?

I've done some reading on painting but I'd really appreciate if I could get some tips from you kind folks here. Any kinds of tips are welcomed, techniques, tools and etc. For example, I'm thinking of getting one of this from Amazon, would that be a good idea?

Thank you all in advance!

(I originally posted this on the painttalk forum but I didn't realize that's the forum for professional painting contractors. The moderator there suggested that I post in here)

Hi Chill....

I'm curious where you're from and why you've narrowed your options to only Ben Moore and SW? I am a huge advocate of often times local, regional manufacturers that are at least as high quality as the nationals (BM & SW), but at significantly lower prices...

joecaption 08-30-2012 12:52 AM

Skip the painting tool gimiks. You will spend way to much time cleaning it.
Roller pan, roller frame, 1/2 nap quaility roller covers, and a 2-1/2" quaility sash brush, some real painters drop cloths.
Learn how to paint the trim without using tape. It's going to be more expencive to use tape, will slow you down, may peel off the paint when it's removed and takes time to put it on.
Paint the ceilings first with flat ceiling paint. Paint the trim, then do all the cut in work before you start rolling the walls.

chill8 08-30-2012 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ric knows paint (Post 999500)
Hi Chill....

I'm curious where you're from and why you've narrowed your options to only Ben Moore and SW? I am a huge advocate of often times local, regional manufacturers that are at least as high quality as the nationals (BM & SW), but at significantly lower prices...

Hi Ric,

I'm from Vancouver, BC in Canada. There are also some "local" brands here that only cost about half of BM and SW. I wanted to choose between BM and SW because they seem to be the most famous brand and are pretty well reviewed. This will be our first time doing painting but we know practically nothing about paints at all, so I think BM and SW would be a less adventurous choice.

chill8 08-30-2012 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by joecaption (Post 999554)
Skip the painting tool gimiks. You will spend way to much time cleaning it.
Roller pan, roller frame, 1/2 nap quaility roller covers, and a 2-1/2" quaility sash brush, some real painters drop cloths.
Learn how to paint the trim without using tape. It's going to be more expencive to use tape, will slow you down, may peel off the paint when it's removed and takes time to put it on.
Paint the ceilings first with flat ceiling paint. Paint the trim, then do all the cut in work before you start rolling the walls.

Thank you for the advice!

I have one question about painting the ceiling. Is that necessary or highly suggested ? Our ceiling is white and has those popcorn texture on it. Originally we didn't think we'd bother painting it, but as I'm researching here and there I'm kind of getting the idea that it's better have it painted as well.

ric knows paint 08-30-2012 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by chill8 (Post 999572)
Hi Ric,

I'm from Vancouver, BC in Canada. There are also some "local" brands here that only cost about half of BM and SW. I wanted to choose between BM and SW because they seem to be the most famous brand and are pretty well reviewed. This will be our first time doing painting but we know practically nothing about paints at all, so I think BM and SW would be a less adventurous choice.

In Vancouver, you owe it to yourself to at least look at Rodda Paints - very high quality finishes comparable to anything SW or BM has - without all the marketing hype that the nationals must charge you for. There is nothing horribly wrong with national brands, I've just been in this business for way too many years, tested/used/sold & copied more brands of paint than many even know exists, and have always found regional manufacturers to hold the edge when it comes to quality and value.

The architecural paint business is a very competitive, no-growth industry - Companies grow only by taking business away from other manufacturers...and all manufacturers purchase their raw materials from the same sources. Trust me when I say this - No company (NONE) can sell their products for 40% off their suggested list unless the suggested list is a complete fabrication designed to fool an ignorant consumer. Especially as often as SW seems to run this same damned ad.

Look around - there are better deals to be had without compromising any quality (and, who knows? You may even get better service and advice)

Gymschu 08-30-2012 08:08 AM

Popcorn can be painted but boy does it soak up the paint. Plan on double or triple the amount of paint you would use on a normal flat ceiling.

MEE123 08-30-2012 08:32 AM

Ric, know of any regionals I could use down here in Greensboro, North Carolina? I looked around and couldn't spot any online. Couldn't even find a pratt and lambert dealer in town. I like to try and support smaller businesses when I can.

ric knows paint 08-30-2012 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by MEE123 (Post 999671)
Ric, know of any regionals I could use down here in Greensboro, North Carolina? I looked around and couldn't spot any online. Couldn't even find a pratt and lambert dealer in town. I like to try and support smaller businesses when I can.

Hiya Mee,

I think you're kinda close to the Raleigh/Durham markets, no? There are a few Davis (Davis Frost) Independent Dealers in your area - and, in my opinion, their Perfection line is one of the best products in the business (their Classic Collection line is pretty nifty also)...You might also check for Richard's Paint dealers in the area - For the price, Richard's has some really good products. You can find local dealer at both of their websites. Good luck.

ajmckay 08-30-2012 12:16 PM

Hey Chill,

No matter what kind of paint you buy IME it should work well as long as you take the time to prep the surface right. In contrast the best paint will perform poorly if what's behind it is in bad condition. I've never used a brand of paint that performed badly as long as the surface was prepped right (barring mfg defects covered by warranty/replacement). The finish is up to you, but typically a ceiling is flat (you can buy "ceiling paint" even) and walls are eggshell/semi-gloss. Personally I don't use gloss unless it's for a specific small area where it's wanted for aesthetic purposes. The surface has to be nearly perfect for glossy paint to look good.

So anyways, invest plenty of time in surface preparation. Assuming you're painting walls that have already been painted you will need to remove nails, scrape down protrusions, fill nail holes with spackle, and lightly sand the entire wall with medium grit sandpaper (100-150) or wall screen. Note that you should check to make sure your paint is not lead based if you're scraping and sanding. This sanding will dull any glossy finishes and remove residues and other imperfections that will show if you just paint over them. Then clean the walls with a damp sponge or some cheesecloth. Next, don't forget a primer. I find it helps a lot to put on a quick coat of primer. Nothing fancy, but it gives you a nice clean slate to work with.

As joe said don't mess with gimmicks.

For materials, instead of a roller pan I use a 5 gallon bucket with a paint grate hanging on the side. This allows you to haul around a whole gallon (or however much you need for the coat) without having to refill the pan constantly. You can get a ladder hook to hold the bucket securely on your ladder as well. The paint grate also provides a more even saturation of the roller (and you can set your brush on it while you're rolling). They're easy peasy to clean with a garden hose out in the yard.

finally, use a quality 2.5" angle sash brush and get a quality roller cover as well, I find 3/8" nap to be good for well prepped already painted surfaces. Before using the roller cover for the first time take 5 minutes and use your fingers to pull out as much of the loose fiber as you can. If you do this you will have very few (if any) "hairs" in the paint which IMO look crappy on a wall. And get a good dropcloth. I like to use a 3x15 canvas runner. This lets me usually paint an entire wall without having to move the dropcloth once. I'll also keep a shorter one for small areas and a large 12x12 when painting a ceiling or for covering furniture when sanding.

Good luck!

user1007 08-30-2012 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by joecaption (Post 999554)
Paint the ceilings first with flat ceiling paint.

Don't have to use ceiling paint and ceilings do not have to be white. Use whatever sheen you want. Just remember the higher the sheen the more defects show. Sometimes a ceiling with some sheen to it can really make a room sparkle. Painting ceilings white is tradition dating back to gas light days when you needed as much light reflection as possible. Time we moved on! And white boxtop rooms are B-O-R-I-N-G. :thumbup:

chill8 08-30-2012 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ric knows paint (Post 999624)
In Vancouver, you owe it to yourself to at least look at Rodda Paints - very high quality finishes comparable to anything SW or BM has - without all the marketing hype that the nationals must charge you for. There is nothing horribly wrong with national brands, I've just been in this business for way too many years, tested/used/sold & copied more brands of paint than many even know exists, and have always found regional manufacturers to hold the edge when it comes to quality and value.

The architecural paint business is a very competitive, no-growth industry - Companies grow only by taking business away from other manufacturers...and all manufacturers purchase their raw materials from the same sources. Trust me when I say this - No company (NONE) can sell their products for 40% off their suggested list unless the suggested list is a complete fabrication designed to fool an ignorant consumer. Especially as often as SW seems to run this same damned ad.

Look around - there are better deals to be had without compromising any quality (and, who knows? You may even get better service and advice)

Thank you Ric! Looks like there is Rodda store just across the border. We have a long weekend coming, I'll pay them a visit on Saturday.


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