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Old 06-21-2011, 08:06 AM   #46
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My opinion, for what it's worth, is it depends on the customer. Some customers repaint often depending upon fashion trends, season, and what not. If you are this type of customer why would you want to spend $40 - $50 a gallon. Longevity wouldn't seem to be an issue.
Exactly. There are times when nothing but the best paint should be used. There are other situations in which it really doesn't matter.

In the end, if you're the customer it's your choice.

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Old 06-24-2011, 11:36 AM   #47
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I think the doc is correct.............behr paint fits the bill some times. Sometimes you get zero return on your investment (like paint in a rental unit) so why throw money away.

Or should the doc juct pay $50-$60gal to acheive that fresh paint smell and clean walls......................?

I dont use behr but I do use SW and feel that it is superior.........over priced? depends

Many people live in homes that arent even worth $100K..........Should they spent north of $40gal to get some color on their walls or freshen up their house before they sell?...........and lose money on their investment..........

I think people need to lighten up a little and understand this is simply the free market doing what it does. There is a demand for behr paint and home depot is just doing what makes since.........suppling said paint.

If the paint was complete garbage and failed alot people would stop buying it.......period. But they still buying it soooooo it must not fail that often.
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Old 06-24-2011, 12:19 PM   #48
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I think the doc is correct.............behr paint fits the bill some times. Sometimes you get zero return on your investment (like paint in a rental unit) so why throw money away.

Or should the doc juct pay $50-$60gal to acheive that fresh paint smell and clean walls......................?

I dont use behr but I do use SW and feel that it is superior.........over priced? depends

Many people live in homes that arent even worth $100K..........Should they spent north of $40gal to get some color on their walls or freshen up their house before they sell?...........and lose money on their investment..........

I think people need to lighten up a little and understand this is simply the free market doing what it does. There is a demand for behr paint and home depot is just doing what makes since.........suppling said paint.

If the paint was complete garbage and failed alot people would stop buying it.......period. But they still buying it soooooo it must not fail that often.
Exactly.

I've said it before, and will say it again. IF there was a SW Paint Store near me, and the people working there weren't a-holes, I'd probably buy most of my paint there. Unfortunately, the now-closed SW Store that was closest to me was (obviously) poorly managed. Begrudgingly offering me 5% off their $55 per gallon paint was simply not going to cut it. Obviously it wasn't just me that got sick of their attitudes, or the store would still be in business.

Is SW Paint better than Behr? Sure - and I've never once said different.

Does it make ANY sense to ALWAYS use THE most expensive product available? Absolutely not. Only a complete fool would believe that. Those are the people who end up with $300,000 invested in a house that's only worth $200,000. They can brag all they want about using the best products available, but they're the only ones who can't see their own stupidity.
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Old 06-24-2011, 01:29 PM   #49
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I think that SW is giving their residental biz. to HD and lowes via. their pricing for the public.

Years ago my mother inlaw had some sort of discount at SW through her job so I bought a 5gal of primer.........for north of $150..........I swore I'd never cross their threshold again.

I told my story to some guys on a job once and the painters looked at me like I was crazy, they told me how fair the prices were if you open an account. So I went to SW and told the manager how I felt about the pricing and asked if he could help. He asked me how much paint I buy every year and then said they could set me up with an account....so I did it and have been happy with the prices.

Funny story....I stoped in to SW one sat. to price some paint, there was only one girl working and several other customers (homeowners) in line. She finished up helping the folks that were at the counter then she told the customers she would be right back...........made a B-line to me and asked what I needed. I asked for prices on paints x,y and z, the prices were fair and I quietly remarked about how high the list prices were. She loudly said in a very mocking tone O no you dont have to pay those prices thats just for the HO's. I was kind of shocked at her actions but happy about the price I'd be getting. I think that a few of those folks drive straight to HD and never looked back.

The funny thing is when SW tries to upsell me on a better paint than what I want, I ask how much they want and usually say no. They start negotating like a used car salesman.........I normally walk out with a 1st teir paint for just a couple bucks more that the middle of the road paint I came there for.
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that is true. if you go in with a bad demanding atitude you will probably get a bad price. the managers here this from demanding HO all of the time over 2 gallons of paint and they get sick of it so they will give them small discounts to insult them and drive them away. good attitude = good pricing, bad attitude is like "BEATING A DEAD HORSE", your not going to get anywhere that way.
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Agreed...........I still think that they should have better pricing for HO's. HD and lowes sell millions of gallons a year thanks to SW's prices. If you ask me I think a 15% profit on 1 millon gallons is better that 90% profit on 1k gal's
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due to the economy, lots of good places have gone out of business ranging from retail, restuarants and mainly construction driven companys. whats so funny about that. i know a lot of people that are out of work because the company that they worked for or owned went under. thats not funny at all.
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I see several SW stores listed for Omaha and within a comfortable range of each other so suspect the company has hardly disappeared from the landscape. And Hicks, HD seems perfect for you. I would just as soon the likes of you shop in such places and not clutter lines up at the real stores.

Year before last I was finishing up a restoration that started with the restoration of the exterior of a small Iowa dowtown. The box stores had killed it off and it was trying to repurpose but needed something so simple as a little help looking a bit less dead.

None of the box stores stepped up to help with paint or materials. It was SW that did. Now I don't know if the gift sunk in but hope some caught on that they ought to do business with entities that give something back.

Box stores that don't pay fair taxes or honest wages and benefits are not saving anybody any money long term.
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I hear what people are saying about the top quality brands of paint; however, it's not easy to sell a customer on a 5 gallon bucket of paint that costs $284.00, when there is a decent brand for $100.00 less. I wonder how many of these people who posted are able to sell that high priced paint in this year, 2011? People want affordable fellas and we need to be able to offer that to them. My Home Depot discount beats any other Big Name discount and I can offer my customer savings. If my Behr lasts as long as your Sherwin Williams, why pay more? It makes no logical sense. Plus, I can stock up on Behr and receive $20 rebates, plus my discount. That adds up to more business for me! I LOVE saving my customers money. WHY? Because they always come back. I may sell someone some Sherwin Williams, but if they feel I am gouging them, they won't be repeat customers. Bottom line-Find a paint that you like and stick with it. If you want it to last 10 years buy something of higher quality. If you're painting to sell it, slap on some Walmart brand and call it good. Paint for your needs, not your contractors preference.
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Old 06-25-2011, 03:13 AM   #55
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sounds like a hard working american to me.
Nice compliment and thanks. Not sure where he got my resume and determined I assembled lawnmowers for Sears. That is news to me. I did have to fix all kinds of strange things that came my way as inventory became store owned. I did put lots of grills together for folk that could not follow directions. I did have to gap and switch out spark plugs and turn mower blades installed upside down over. Should any of you be wowed by the experience? Dunno.

Sears did not work out because I could not do the lifting. It was a post career gig I tried when I realized my leg was torn up so badly I can never do ladders and all again. I am disabled these days but Hicks missed that in the copy of the resume he made up for me too.

And as for the millions of people Hicks has been able to hire having plowed away at the same boring job for 30 years and saving $47 on dress shirts? More power to him. Frugal, when appropriate, can be a very good thing. Cheap usually is not and can cost a lot.

And the assumption I have never hired anybody on a scale proportionate to him? I seem to remember having staffs of people working for me and contractors of all kinds swarming around being paid for something I asked them to do.

And expertise comes with doing things and being around it all. I developed and sold a landscaping and turf management firm in Northern California that still does well as far as I know. I never had less that 20-25 people working, all were legal and all got benefits.

Now then, it is unlikely Hicks and I would ever cross paths. I did not do the kind of work he requires and frankly tolerates. Nor do any of my subs to this day.

Oh well. We shall see what is next. I am doing some bidding, estimating and front end work for contractors that have done nice work for me over the years but just cannot get to reviewing drawings, client meetings and billings. I hope something meshes without me needing to be hands on anymore.

I have been able to work white or blue collar when needed in the past so lots of my situation is really new and different.

Sorry Hicks but I hardly feel insecure. I guess my comment about where I would prefer you standing in line was a bit petty. Sorry. You do make it hard to like you at all though you know? I will keep my mind as open as I can.

But Hicks, don't judge my work history or assume I took the job at Sears because it was all I could get. Out of nowhere came the DVT a few years back. I was in reasonably good health one day and the next? The clots traveled to my lungs and became instantly life threatening. Now, I just have the fact that all the valves in the veins of my left leg are gone for good with no pharmaceutical or surgical repair options. Venous stasis ulcers have set in. See attached. Gross looking and of course painful at times. Not life threatening for now though. Hicks, they and the leg are the reasons the Sears job did not work out. Please do not speculate otherwise.
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I think this thread has gotten a little off target and there is a little too much testosterone.

I am not a pro, but I see both sides in this argument. I have been a DIY'er my entire life (I am 54).

If I were to hire (and I have hired a painter on one occasion) then I would want them to spend the extra money and get the best. Why? Because time is money and the faster and better the job can be done is simply cheaper. Labor will outstrip paint cost very quickly.

For myself, I use whatever I determine I should. The second house I bought I used SW because it was all that was available. There wasn't a Home Depot in 50 miles from my house. This was almost 30 yrs ago. But, that paint was fantastic. I had to strip the house first (2 story, 4 bedroom frame house) because the previous owners had someone paint right over dirt and it was all peeling. After I stripped the house, properly primed it and painted it white (2 coats). That paint never chalked, chipped or flaked. I only had to touch it up after 9 yrs and the color match was still perfect. It was definitely worth the money.

However, not all Behr paint is garbage either. I used the Epoxy paint for my garage floor which was heavily oiled. We prepped the floor, but there is no way to get that much oil out of concrete. I was quite concerned that any paint would adhere. Since my family has 10 cars (4 drivers) this garage gets used frequently. Not only has the paint stayed down, but has endured activity similar to a commercial garage.

I have used Behr, Valspar, and SW inside my homes as well. I have had no paint failures on any brand and I have done a lot of painting on the houses I have owned.

I think if I were a professional painter, I would be buying SW or the other name brands. A paint failure is expensive for a contractor.

However, as a DIY, it is not necessary if you look at what you are doing. On the outside where it takes a high degree of labor to redo, a top brand is all I will use. It is worth it to me. On the interior, I really don't care if it takes a second coat as long as the coverage is even. Prep is the most important part anyway and I am finicky about that. So, a lesser brand if fine with me.
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I think this thread has gotten a little off target and there is a little too much testosterone.

I am not a pro, but I see both sides in this argument. I have been a DIY'er my entire life (I am 54).

If I were to hire (and I have hired a painter on one occasion) then I would want them to spend the extra money and get the best. Why? Because time is money and the faster and better the job can be done is simply cheaper. Labor will outstrip paint cost very quickly.

For myself, I use whatever I determine I should. The second house I bought I used SW because it was all that was available. There wasn't a Home Depot in 50 miles from my house. This was almost 30 yrs ago. But, that paint was fantastic. I had to strip the house first (2 story, 4 bedroom frame house) because the previous owners had someone paint right over dirt and it was all peeling. After I stripped the house, properly primed it and painted it white (2 coats). That paint never chalked, chipped or flaked. I only had to touch it up after 9 yrs and the color match was still perfect. It was definitely worth the money.

However, not all Behr paint is garbage either. I used the Epoxy paint for my garage floor which was heavily oiled. We prepped the floor, but there is no way to get that much oil out of concrete. I was quite concerned that any paint would adhere. Since my family has 10 cars (4 drivers) this garage gets used frequently. Not only has the paint stayed down, but has endured activity similar to a commercial garage.

I have used Behr, Valspar, and SW inside my homes as well. I have had no paint failures on any brand and I have done a lot of painting on the houses I have owned.

I think if I were a professional painter, I would be buying SW or the other name brands. A paint failure is expensive for a contractor.

However, as a DIY, it is not necessary if you look at what you are doing. On the outside where it takes a high degree of labor to redo, a top brand is all I will use. It is worth it to me. On the interior, I really don't care if it takes a second coat as long as the coverage is even. Prep is the most important part anyway and I am finicky about that. So, a lesser brand if fine with me.

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I like Valspar! I didn't know until recently, but they have paints that were inspired by historical places! My painters led me to pick out a paint inspired by the southwestern La Fonda hotel of Santa Fe, NM. Call me a history dork, but I think it's cool to have paint colors inspired from historical places! I definitely would vote Valspar for that reason!
they weren't so much 'Inspired' as they were literally refurbished using Valspar Paint...
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Benjamin Moore has had an historical color collection forever. And it is much better paint than Valspar which is not even in the same class.

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