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Old 04-29-2011, 06:19 PM   #16
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Thanks for that info. Anyone interested in a building with a good coat of paint in it.

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Thanks for that info. Anyone interested in a building with a good coat of paint in it.
Mehh... The interior is probably coated with Behr Paint.
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Dear, chrisn/"Mr. Real paint from a real paint store". I understand yur frustration on this topic. I have literally broken this down to making a pot of soup and still can't seem to get the point across. I should give up too before the violent side of me comes out. I can't simplify it any better that saying " if I put this nail to your head and drive it in with a hammer...... Will you get the point." Some people will never get it. There is a saying" a man changed agaist his will is of the same vision still" I guess that applies here too!
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real paint store vs big box ,am a sherwin williams guy use it all the time never a problem ,but i have to say for some applications i can roll out a room with lets say a valspar 2000 eggshell contractor grade sold at lowe's about 20 dollars . and i could roll a room out in s/w super paint about 45 dollars and you would not be able to tell the difference . OK is sherwin williams a better paint ? yea a little better .i guess it should be for 25dollars more. what im saying is if i did not get my prices a the real paint stores .i would go big box no problem .i can make that paint work.
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Dear, chrisn/"Mr. Real paint from a real paint store". I understand yur frustration on this topic. I have literally broken this down to making a pot of soup and still can't seem to get the point across. I should give up too before the violent side of me comes out. I can't simplify it any better that saying " if I put this nail to your head and drive it in with a hammer...... Will you get the point." Some people will never get it. There is a saying" a man changed agaist his will is of the same vision still" I guess that applies here too!
I think it's you that's missing the point.

Not everyone worships at the altar of Sherwin Williams and Benjamin Moore Paints. Are they good paints? Absolutely. The only paints? Not even close. Better paint than Behr? No doubt.

Not everyone is going to choose to buy the most expensive paints on the market. That does not mean that said people are stupid. Nor does it mean - as one "professional" claimed - that said people are dumber than 5th graders. Sometimes we want and fully intend to buy less expensive paint, because we know that we'll be repainting the rental house in less than 2 years anyway.

You yourself said you ate Ramen Noodle Soup. Does that mean you were stupid for eating it, because there were better soups on the market? Or does it mean that it was what was in your budget at the time, or maybe even that you intentionally chose to save money by eating the cheaper soup?


It's perfectly clear why the rank & file professional painter wants to use the better, more expensive, paints. Two of my cousins are professional painters, with over 60 years of experience between them. They'd much rather use BM than Dutchboy, SW than Behr.. Part of the reason is that they can one-coat most jobs, which means they make more per hour, and they pass the cost of the more expensive paint onto their customers. So of course they want to use the better, more expensive paint. It makes perfect sense.

But it doesn't always make sense for everybody in all situations.


Now... Before y'all start bashing on me for "owning stock in Home Depot" or being a "Behr Paint spokesman," I'll simply say to save it. I have absolutely no vested interest in either. There are a lot of paints I'd rather use than Behr, and a lot of places I'd rather shop than Home Depot.

What I will do is continue to say that this obsessive bashing of Behr Paint - while ignoring all other mid-grade paints - is stupid. That is all.
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real paint store vs big box ,am a sherwin williams guy use it all the time never a problem ,but i have to say for some applications i can roll out a room with lets say a valspar 2000 eggshell contractor grade sold at lowe's about 20 dollars . and i could roll a room out in s/w super paint about 45 dollars and you would not be able to tell the difference . OK is sherwin williams a better paint ? yea a little better .i guess it should be for 25dollars more. what im saying is if i did not get my prices a the real paint stores .i would go big box no problem .i can make that paint work.
When my wife & I bought our first home 25+ years ago, she bought 5 gallons of "clearance" paint, at KMart, for $4 per gallon. It was crap, and it took at least 3 coats to get coverage.

But we made it work. The finished product looked good. In fact, 7 years later when we sold the house for 2-1/2 times what we paid for it, the dining & living rooms still had that paint on the walls - and the paint was one of the things the buyers really liked. Go figure.

A good painter can work with lesser-quality paint just fine. He may not like it very much, but it can easily be done.
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I'm not trying to hurt anyones feelings or to make everyone else look stupid. I have applied mant of these coatings myself and have had "ok" results from good/expensive and cheap/sorry paint. Price doesn't make the determing factor for me, that comes down to quality and workability. if I have to apply 3-4 coats of anyones paint vs. 2 coats of someone elses paint, that makes a big difference to me. As a coatings inspector that gets paid to watch paint dry, I could give a rats ass on who's paint you use but if it is not an approved coating that meets the min. Specs I can't allow it to happen. I can tell you that I have never seen paint from a box store allowed antwhere near a project that I am working on.
Its not about the money or who's paint is the most popular. It comes down to quality and proven testing from places such as ASTM, NACE or SSPC to prove that these products will last and do what they say their going to do. I understand that this is a DIY forum and that we aren't all coating nuke plants, oil platforms and bridges but the same concepts still apply. Use a GOOD quality product that is within YOUR budget to acheive the most cost effective results. That doesn't mean to buy the highest priced product on the market, but don't waste your money on a can of water with some color added to it. I painted my new hardi-plank siding with olimpic paint on a Sunday out of convienienc and hated evry minute of it. The real paint stores were closed. Sorry if I offended anyone, but cheaper doesn't mean more cost effective in the long run.
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So you're a paint inspector, yes? What projects do you inspect? Not houses, I assume.
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Yes you are right. I don't inspect houses unless you live under a bridge. I do own a house and have painted a few in my days. Like I said, I painted my new siding with olympic and hated it.I painted the inside of my house with tru-test, which is a cheap paint made by PPG that is made for true value hardware and I have a friend that owns a store so it was free. The tru-test did very good with 2 coats but the olympic sucked. Cost did not make one paint better than the other. Those were both cheap paints from box stores. Labor is still more expensive than materials on most jobs. Cheap paint does not save labor. My personal time is very valuble to me and most other people. What is your time worth to you???keep buying your paint from Homer in the overalls and see how well they treat you when you have a product failure. I have seen how they sovle those issues. They give you some more paibt for free.
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A lot of controversy from a 2 year old thread. Substitute "painting" for "flooring";

"Constant Arguing over Products and Brands

The flooring section of this site has gotten to be a bit of a handful lately. It seems like every week we are in here cleaning up another argument about what flooring product is the best and these arguments tend to break our posting rules by not respecting other members when they try to make their point.

Additionally some of these posters are promoting a brand that they sell which is a violation of our advertising rules. Every contractor has an opinion on what products are the best and some even have relationships with manufacturers which is fine, but when your driven to promote a certain product by some financial incentive you really should take yourself out of the conversation.

Because the flooring section has had so many problems with this issue lately we are going to ask the following.
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Yes you are right. I don't inspect houses unless you live under a bridge. I do own a house and have painted a few in my days. Like I said, I painted my new siding with olympic and hated it.I painted the inside of my house with tru-test, which is a cheap paint made by PPG that is made for true value hardware and I have a friend that owns a store so it was free. The tru-test did very good with 2 coats but the olympic sucked. Cost did not make one paint better than the other. Those were both cheap paints from box stores. Labor is still more expensive than materials on most jobs. Cheap paint does not save labor. My personal time is very valuble to me and most other people. What is your time worth to you???keep buying your paint from Homer in the overalls and see how well they treat you when you have a product failure. I have seen how they sovle those issues. They give you some more paibt for free.
Weirdly enough, the few times I've bought and used Behr Paint from Home Depot, I have had absolutely no problems or product failure. I have had paint that wasn't tinted quite right, but they were happy to redo it correctly.

On the other hand, I had horrible luck trying to deal with the nearest Sherwin Williams Store - a store that is now closed. They were rude, arrogant and clearly uninterested in doing business with me.


I guess it just goes to show that we can't make blanket judgments.
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There is a bad apple in every tree. There are bad paople running paint stores and bad cops in every department but dot let that make your final opinion. Remember this"temper is the one thing you can't get rid of by losing it".
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Hicks,

I am or at least was a pro and I have used things like box store crap at times. People donate the stuff to Habitat, churches, schools and all and I did make it work in all cases.

I am sorry but box store crap feels and works different. I know it sounds weird but when working every day at painting I could dip a brush or saturate a roller cover with Benjamin Moore or Sherwin Williams products and know exactly what was going to happen next.

Maybe we pros are snobbish about the tools and paints we use. But you know, we may actually know things. Bad analogy perhaps but....

"A Man holding a cat by the tail learns things he can in other way."

I don't sense the bad advice here you do.

The Behr bashing thread annoys me too. It doesn't matter what those of us who do know paint say. Every other week some idiot buys the stuff, starts a new thread, whines, and then wants us to fix it.

And look, I know the economy is tough and home improvement budgets are tight. But really folks. Don't skimp on paint. Come on. As a percentage expenditures paint really is not your major worry.
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Hicks,

I am or at least was a pro and I have used things like box store crap at times. People donate the stuff to Habitat, churches, schools and all and I did make it work in all cases.

I am sorry but box store crap feels and works different. I know it sounds weird but when working every day at painting I could dip a brush or saturate a roller cover with Benjamin Moore or Sherwin Williams products and know exactly what was going to happen next.

Maybe we pros are snobbish about the tools and paints we use. But you know, we may actually know things. Bad analogy perhaps but....

"A Man holding a cat by the tail learns things he can in other way."

I don't sense the bad advice here you do.

The Behr bashing thread annoys me too. It doesn't matter what those of us who do know paint say. Every other week some idiot buys the stuff, starts a new thread, whines, and then wants us to fix it.

And look, I know the economy is tough and home improvement budgets are tight. But really folks. Don't skimp on paint. Come on. As a percentage expenditures paint really is not your major worry.
I fully understand what you're saying, and don't particularly disagree. Some paint is just better than other paint. You don't always get what you pay for, but for the most part that does hold true.

However, to say that all Behr Paint is crap, and only idiots use it, is simply not true. Period. In fact, that's downright stupid.

Behr Paint runs right alongside Dutch Boy, Valspar, Glidden, and a whole host of other mid-grade paints. Not horrible, but certainly not the best paint available. So why are the self-proclaimed professionals not relentlessly bashing those brands?

And frankly, if somebody can't make Behr Paint work, it's because they're not a good painter.
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Ironic that Color Place at the time of this test, was made by SW.

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