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Old 10-28-2006, 08:04 AM   #1
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I used painter to paint my custom built house. We signed contract for: $14,500 to paint interior using a best paint from Dunn Edwards. In the contract he specified, that he will use "first class paint" and using second class paint will be $ 13,500. Ok I wanted and signed for first clase paint. After he finish approximately 1/2, I find out that he is using
cheapest paint from DE. and mixing 1/4 of bucket water with paint. I immediately stop his work and ask him for proof of paint and amount used. He refused to provide me with those information. He don't have any bucket left ower or emty on my jobside. What should I do? How can calculate amount of paint that he suppuse use on project. Thanks....

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I used painter to paint my custom built house. We signed contract for: $14,500 to paint interior using a best paint from Dunn Edwards. In the contract he specified, that he will use "first class paint" and using second class paint will be $ 13,500. Ok I wanted and signed for first clase paint. After he finish approximately 1/2, I find out that he is using
cheapest paint from DE. and mixing 1/4 of bucket water with paint. I immediately stop his work and ask him for proof of paint and amount used. He refused to provide me with those information. He don't have any bucket left ower or emty on my jobside. What should I do? How can calculate amount of paint that he suppuse use on project. Thanks....
I'm not familiar with Dunn Edwards brand paint and it's quality but I'm going to assume it's a decent regional brand.

It sounds a little odd that he won't provide proof of what he used. When I do a job I keep every receibt in a folder just for that job. If a customer wants to see somthing I pull it out and they're welcome to look through it.

I'd read the contract carefully. It most likely doesn't say he will use the best paint DE offers. It probably says he will use a quality Dunn Edwards paint or somthing to that effect. A lot of guys do that around here, they say they will use "a quality Benjamin Moore paint" then use the Benjamin Moore contractor grade paint. It is a quality paint, much better than what you buy at Home Depot but it isn't the best that Benjamin Moore offers. If he worded it like that, it means he is free to use any paint from that brand. I'd guess the "second quality" would be another cheaper brand. As for thinning it with water I see that happen pretty often. Are you sure you're not exagreating? Unless DE paint is the thickest stuff I've ever seen 1/4 gallon of water in 1 gallon of paint will give you some nearly unapplicable nasty mess.

As for what to do, read the contract before anything. If it does indeed say he will use the best paint offered by DE make sure that he makes good on it. If it doesn't say that then you really have no legal recourse, just make sure he uses it on the rest of the house.


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If i'm paying some guy 14,500 dollars i better be getting a first class paint and job. I have never heard of that brand either. Its probably a regional paint. I'm sure slickshift will be by but then it is the weekend. If so he will know what to do. Tmb9862 is also giving good advice.
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Dunn Edwards is SW. Company, they provide paint for Ca, AZ, NE.
He used cheapest paint from DE. and label on the bucket says: only 8 OZ water pro galon, allso paint is recammended for: appartments, condominiums and commercial buildings, not for 2 mil. custom house.
If I proof that he is using second quality paint and mix too-much water, what is my rights? thanks........
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Old 10-29-2006, 07:37 AM   #5
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A contract is a "legally" binding vessel. If you can PROVE that the contract was not followed, you will probably end up hiring an Attorney. Make sure you have every piece of proof you can obtain, and then discuss this with an attorney. Sometimes a letter can change things in a hurry. Other times, you end up in court. Do not delay with whatever process you are going to follow.
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You're going to have a very difficult time proving how much water he used in the paint

And its also going to be difficult to define what exactly makes "first class" and "second class" paint. Painter will claim first class is what he uses as his top paint on all jobs...even though it is still cheap stuff.

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The best is you haven't paid him the full money yet or hold off paying him... if you did... you should let him finish the job and sue him after work, you may win or lose but if you win you should be able to get some money back... if you lose ... at least you don't need to live in a house which is halfly painted.... if you cannot get receipt from him.... you can also recorded that in a cascasette or video ..etc... as this can be evident itself in the court... but try to be nice with him in the mean time until he finished...
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I filed complain to registrar of contractors, and they give him 10. days to proof what paint and amount he used. I give to him so far $7000.00
and I will be happy if he is willing to return some of that monney. He finished so far about half of work. Tanks for replays.....
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We use Dunn-Edwards 100% of the time, unless the customer demands something else. Adding that much water is rediculous and the sign of a "blow and go" painter.

DE has at least three grades of paint, we ALWAYS use the premium grades - when all is added up, it doesn't cost that much more.
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he said that he did three grades, but I don't believe it. he does room by room, using roler, not sprayer. If you use Dunn-Edwarda, than you are fammiliar with "Wallton" brand. That what hi is using on my house. Thanks for replay....
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We use Walltone, but only on ceilings because it is so flat in appearance. Walltone is a maintance quality paint and will not accept deep color tints; the premium grade interior flat would be Decovel :

http://www.dunnedwards.com/retail/ca...+Paints&Page=1

If your walls are being painted with Walltone I hope you don't have any kids...

In his defense, we prefer to roll walls/ceilings also as the texture and thickness of paint comes out to be much more consistant. If we do use a gun it is mostly used to "apply" the paint as we then immediately back-roll the walls/ceilings to "pound" the paint into place.
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Thanks, that will help.
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he said that he did three grades, but I don't believe it. he does room by room, using roler, not sprayer. If you use Dunn-Edwarda, than you are fammiliar with "Wallton" brand. That what hi is using on my house. Thanks for replay....
I certainly do not mean to be insulting, but how does someone who lacks (at least in this particular response) basic english, spelling and vocabulary skills afford a $2 Million dollar house?

Not starting a fight...just curious. Maybe I should change professions

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just to let you know that english is my third language. sorry for mistakes, but most people understood my question. not only people who speak english can make millions. is your curiousity satisfied?
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...how does someone who lacks (at least in this particular response) basic english, spelling and vocabulary skills afford a $2 Million dollar house?
They have millionaires in other countries dude



Sorry, just bustin' ya

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