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Old 02-09-2012, 11:29 PM   #16
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yea ,good luck with that

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Old 02-10-2012, 12:07 AM   #17
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Actually, you would be surprised. People do it all the time. A buddy of mine got all new cabinets installed doing the same thing, well labor only, but still.

Anyway, so I have changed my mind a bit and have come up with my final decision. After taking all things into consideration, including the cost and timeframe, I have decided to just put 1/4" over top of what I already have. Its only a couple dollars more per sheet around here and it would be cheaper(overall), less money, and way less messy. I was not looking forward to the demo to be honest because hauling it all off would have been a little difficult. I realize that I will still be sans insulation still, but the cost of that was gonna put me way over budget and I just dropped 1700 on new furniture so ned to save as much as possible. As far as the electrical, I know I will need extensions, but figure it will still be just as easy and I can do it under the old drywall first. This way, I can just replace the cut piece without having to refinish it, and then put the new board up.

I can do this relatively quickly considering the small area so I am failry certain that is what I will be doing. Not looking forward to taking all the casing and trim off(carefully to save it, but I am back to being excited about the project again, so that helps. Hopefully I wont sucks horribly at taping and mudding the joints. I will start in the hallway to get practice before I get to the living area.

Does this sound logical?

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Old 02-10-2012, 06:23 AM   #18
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It's your house and your project---But you are being short sighted--

The insulation will pay for the project---warmer house and cheaper to heat---the time you save not removing the rock will be spent making jamb extenders for the trim---

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@oh'mike Thanks for the response, and yes - you are absolutely right that it would be a much better (in the long run) situation to tear out, put in insulation, and rehang. However, I am not being short sighted because I do realize that. However, what it really comes down to is the fact that a.) this desperately needs to be done now, b.) It has to be done in fairly short order, and c.) my budget right now is running razor thin. I am running into more than I had initially thought in regards to my electrical - it is all getting redone essentially.

That being said, would I rather do it the way you have suggested, absolutely. Does it make sense, perfect sense. Is it "doable", not really. That is the most important thing really. I work as an IT specialist and will only be able to probably take Monday off (to hang) and then will have to work every night when I get home from my 12 hour day on finishing so that it will be ready by this next weekend. The trim is going to take the longest because I will be stripping and reusing what I already have, but I am not so much worried about that as I can work around everything for that and put that up as I can.

In hindsight, while we knew at some point we needed to do this, it wasn't very well planned out. However, we are committed now and will need to do what it takes to get it done.

Thanks again!
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This will take longer ( your way) than you think- don't expect to have it done in a week of part time..
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I am assuming that it will, but it is still much faster than the other way. It really is not that big of an area, at least as I see it. But I do realize the need for having to wait an entire 24 hours between each of the compound steps. Also, one other quick question...

I know the need for 3 coats for the joints, but what about the screw holes? Do they also require 3 coats as well.

One more thing. I failed to mention that I have 2 teenage sons and a wife who are perfectly capable of helping me as well, so it will not be all just be. However, regardless of how many people I have, as I mentioned before I am aware of the time in between (and that is not even counting the prime and at least 2 coats of painting, but my wife is going to do those while I am at work).
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If you are daring- do the first 2 coats with a setting ( powder) mud- finish with a sandable premix. I use 45 min and can get an area completely mudded in a as long as it takes me to do it 3 times.
But the powdered stuff is hard ( make it smooth - you don't want to sand it)
If this is first time mudding- don't go there.
Screw holes usually take 2.

use a fan to speed up
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Awesome. Great info. And while I am daring, I am also a perfectionist (which is a not so good combination) so I will probably not go that route,
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A word or two on mud types---

Powdered (easy sand) comes in various setting times--20-45-90 minute--
Used to pack gaps and voids before taping---fill coat on corner bead---can be used to embed paper tape
Very hard to sand---

All Purpose---green lid---contains glue--used to embed paper tape---can be used for fill coat before final top coat-----difficult to sand----many pros use this for final coat--They don't do much sanding because they lay it on so nicely--(fast dry time)

Light Weight---blue lid----very easy to sand---used for top coat--slow drying--
Not good for embedding paper tape or filling corner bead.
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That is very helpful. Thanks.

I was also reading that if I am putting board up over other board that I should use liquid nails in between (in addition to screws of course). It makes sense to me, but wanted to run it past my new trusted drywall advisers.

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Don't ya love that they call the powdered "Easy Sand" lol But those of us old enough to have used the Durobond brown bag stuff might know why...
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Yes on the drywall adhesive between sheets---

The Durrabond--brown bag mix is rock hard---often the white bag stuff is mistakenly called Durrabond

I try to correct people here so some unsuspecting newbie doesn't buy the brown bag---
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[quote=oh'mike;849778]Yes on the drywall adhesive between sheets---

The Durrabond--brown bag mix is rock hard---often the white bag stuff is mistakenly called Durrabond

I try to correct people here so some unsuspecting newbie doesn't buy the brown bag---[/quote]


Now that would be bad
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Nice information sharing thanks to all of you

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