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Old 06-11-2013, 08:42 AM   #16
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Don't forget the big radiation scare till they found out there was more being emitted from smoke alarms than what they were talking about. Does anyone remember when the asbestos thing started and everyone panicked they shut down schools and hospitals to remove it. Then after awhile someone figured out they killed and harmed more people than if they had left it alone and not made it airborne.
I remember sitting in the classroom every day for four years, with a section of Asbestos impregnated paper covering torn apart by kids over the years, and I am still fine.


Even on board our ship, we still had areas that had asbestos covering on steam piping, that was left alone, nothing happened to any of us.

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Ever changed your own brake pads on your car? Asbestos there too.
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Most of the hysteria surrounding lead, and lead paint is overblown bs, there's only 2 ways lead enters the body- via mouth and via the nose, you had a respirator on, I assume you didn't chew any paint chips, and washed your hands before eating, problem solved.
It's not going to jump up off the porch and penetrate your skin and kill you!
As long as you were 1) OUTDOORS, and 2) not creating massive amounts of dust by using a power belt sander trying to abrade through 500 square feet of 14 layers of lead paint you will be fine.
There isn't an older house around that doesn't have lead paint contaminated soil all around the foundation wall from old peeled/scraped paint falling there too.


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My wife's grandmother is in her mid 90's, and still around. So those who are scared about a little bit of lead paint, asbestos, radon, really should open up their eyes, for what they have survived through.
Lead and radon are both overblown bs, asbestos is a totally different story as discussed in other threads- the microscopic razor sharp particles once breathed in do not just "go away" nor does the body break it down, it stays there for the rest of your life with the razor sharp edges constantly irritating and damaging the delicate lung tissues- the ones you need to breathe with. It is that constant irritation and damage which sparks cancer, and/or a condition where the scarring from the irritation and damage continues to grow and reducing lung capacity.
It is the scarring- the lung tissue reaction to the irritation that causes inflamation, fluid build up etc and reduced capacity- what you see in coal miner's lung and other lung diseases caused by damage.

There is NO known "safe" amount of asbestos to breathe, and just like one person can smoke 14 packs of cigarettes and drink 2 six packs of beer a day and live to be 104 while their own brother a non-smoker, non drinker dies of cancer or liver failure in their 30s- everyone has a different level of tolerance, some lots more than others, the trouble is there's no test to determine this factor, so just because a person sprayed asbestos all over ship hulls 7 days a week 16 hours a day for 50 years and slept on a bed lined with asbestos sheets and lives to be 102 in perfect health, doesn't mean someone else can tolerate even 1/1000th that exposure without medical problems.

If the day comes they develop a susceptability test and you can see on the results something like "high resistance to mesothelioma" or something like that, then you can line your whole hose with asbestos insulation and sleep comfortably knowing you are safe, but till such a test is developed assume you might be one of the susceptable people and know that there is NO known safe amount of asbestos to breathe in, and take steps to ensure you avoid it.

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Overblown, of course. BS? Not really.

Lead paint is dangerous... mostly to children, because they can eat it and are small. The lengths they've decided we need to go to clean it up are kind of BS -- certainly people who deal with it day in and day out shoudl be careful, but one incident isn't going to do a damn thing to you.

And radon.... it increases your risk of cancer, which is bad, but so do a million other things. If you can mitigate a potential cause of cancer, shouldn't you? I would say yes.
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Overblown, of course. BS? Not really.

Lead paint is dangerous... mostly to children, because they can eat it and are small. The lengths they've decided we need to go to clean it up are kind of BS -- certainly people who deal with it day in and day out shoudl be careful, but one incident isn't going to do a damn thing to you.

And radon.... it increases your risk of cancer, which is bad, but so do a million other things. If you can mitigate a potential cause of cancer, shouldn't you? I would say yes.
And so is getting in your car, taking a drive, or boarding a plane to take a flight. Bob, you are over blowing it, like most out there.

Yes, there is a danger if children eat paint chips, but that is also because you have bad parenting, that do not teach their kids to not eat them.

As for Radon, even after 20 plus years, there is no viable proof that Radon is the main cause of lung cancer, so really unless you have proof that Radon increases the risk of cancer, not some government study, or some document from a mitigation/scam company, it is just FUD.
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Look, I'm on your side here as far as being afraid of everything and overregulating minor risks, but pounding your chest and saying it's not at ALL a concern is silly. Don't listen to the people who stand to profit, and use common sense. Lead poisoning is a real, demonstrable thing that you could CONCEIVABLY get from lead paint if you eat or inhale enough of it. I think that one sentence is probably enough of a warning (ie, we can ditch the 19 pages of forms we have to fill out to sell a house, etc).

As for radon... I don't know what you mean "main cause" of cancer. Most things that are carcinogenic simply increase your risk of developing cancer. Since a solid ~50% of us are going to contract cancer in our lifetimes, I'd say little things you can do to possibly lower that number are good? Maybe? And there aren't that many health studies that aren't in some way government sponsored so ... you're being a little unrealistic. I don't see any data that says it's NOT carcinogenic (unless you're the type who doesn't believe cigarettes are dangerous either, in which case we can kindly go our own ways now), so why wouldn't you want to at least be mindful of it?

I agree that there are those out there who overreact to things, and government regulation in the name of safety is more often in the name of making a little extra money for inspections or just pandering to public overreaction. But going the other way and ignoring potential health risks because someone exaggerated them doesn't make any sense at all. No one said "avoid all risks," just use common sense when taking risks. To go with your analogy of driving being a risky endeavor, getting your house checked for radon is like checking the tire pressure in your car, not avoiding driving altogether. Telling people to be careful of lead paint is like telling them "dont' sit in a closed garage with your car running."
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And so is getting in your car, taking a drive, or boarding a plane to take a flight. Bob, you are over blowing it, like most out there.

Yes, there is a danger if children eat paint chips, but that is also because you have bad parenting, that do not teach their kids to not eat them.

As for Radon, even after 20 plus years, there is no viable proof that Radon is the main cause of lung cancer, so really unless you have proof that Radon increases the risk of cancer, not some government study, or some document from a mitigation/scam company, it is just FUD.
Perhaps you fail to consider the concerns for children regarding airborne particles of stuff like asbestos or lead. It's not just 'eating paint chips', it's also about swiping their little handles across all manner of surfaces and eventually ingesting what's on their fingers.

There are few things that most of us will ever be exposed to that have been "proven" to be a direct cause of cancers. Sure, some stuff is readily identifiable as causing illnesses. But quite often it's a very hard to prove set of coincidences. Given that, one might sensibly draw the conclusion that avoiding things known to contribute to cancer is worthwhile. Or just rail against it as if there was some grand conspiracy to do, I dunno, "something" to otherwise make life difficult for the whingers.

The other factor for avoiding lead has been the reduction of violent crime. Paint wasn't the sole factor there, it's use as a gasoline additive was a lot worse. That and the costs to remove it safely are a whole lot less than the potential benefits to be gained. Spend a little now and save quite a lot more over the long run.

So what's the sensible plan here? Do you understand the wisdom in the old saying 'penny wise but pound foolish' as it applies here? Spend the little money now on eliminating the risks properly and save a LOT more in the long run through better health and safety.

What's better parenting here? Logic or folklore?

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Look, I'm on your side here as far as being afraid of everything and overregulating minor risks, but pounding your chest and saying it's not at ALL a concern is silly. Don't listen to the people who stand to profit, and use common sense. Lead poisoning is a real, demonstrable thing that you could CONCEIVABLY get from lead paint if you eat or inhale enough of it. I think that one sentence is probably enough of a warning (ie, we can ditch the 19 pages of forms we have to fill out to sell a house, etc).

As for radon... I don't know what you mean "main cause" of cancer. Most things that are carcinogenic simply increase your risk of developing cancer. Since a solid ~50% of us are going to contract cancer in our lifetimes, I'd say little things you can do to possibly lower that number are good? Maybe? And there aren't that many health studies that aren't in some way government sponsored so ... you're being a little unrealistic. I don't see any data that says it's NOT carcinogenic (unless you're the type who doesn't believe cigarettes are dangerous either, in which case we can kindly go our own ways now), so why wouldn't you want to at least be mindful of it?

I agree that there are those out there who overreact to things, and government regulation in the name of safety is more often in the name of making a little extra money for inspections or just pandering to public overreaction. But going the other way and ignoring potential health risks because someone exaggerated them doesn't make any sense at all. No one said "avoid all risks," just use common sense when taking risks. To go with your analogy of driving being a risky endeavor, getting your house checked for radon is like checking the tire pressure in your car, not avoiding driving altogether. Telling people to be careful of lead paint is like telling them "dont' sit in a closed garage with your car running."
I do not know where you got your facts from. You have a higher risk in stubbing or breaking a digit or body part, than you do of contracting some form of cancer.

Better go recheck your facts on those percentages.
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Sorry, I was a little high. It's 44.8% for males and 38.1% for females.

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These numbers are average risks for the overall US population. Your risk may be higher or lower than these numbers, depending on your particular risk factors.
I'm sure the American Cancer Society is on your list of FUD organizations.
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I do not know where you got your facts from. You have a higher risk in stubbing or breaking a digit or body part, than you do of contracting some form of cancer.

Better go recheck your facts on those percentages.
If you're going to cite numbers, back up your claim on your suggestions.

Sure, to you that might sound more accurate. But then people believe all sorts of nonsense that isn't backed up with proof.
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yea like getting lead from wiping your fingers across paint.
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Sorry, I was a little high. It's 44.8% for males and 38.1% for females.

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I'm sure the American Cancer Society is on your list of FUD organizations.
Actually they are, because they have been fudging their numbers for years, along with half the reason there is such a large scare on Radon being so much more dangerous then it actually is.

If AL can use numbers not facts to scare people to change their habits, they are loosing ground, because it sure is not working for smokers.
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If you're going to cite numbers, back up your claim on your suggestions.

Sure, to you that might sound more accurate. But then people believe all sorts of nonsense that isn't backed up with proof.
What, like the fact that you two are throw nonsensical information out there as scare tactics. Talk about making a molehill into a mountain.

I am more afraid of a driver in my town running into me, as I cross the street, then living in a 75 plus year old home, that still has Asbestos on some of the duct work, no Radon mitigation in my basement, and Lead paint under the many coats of Latex.

Should I also repeat that I have lived through two Nuclear isotope releases, along with being born like most of us, while not only our country, but many others doing Nuclear testing, which the fallout from those went across the globe more than once.

We get bombarded daily by X-rays & Gamma Radiation all day long, work in offices that are so tight, that the air is toxic.

Now we have two people on a forum, trying to state that everything we all have been doing, is wrong and we now need to listen to you two, than using our better judgement.

Sorry, I am going to take my risks, and continue to live life like I have been, in my house with Radon, Asbestos, Lead, some mold in the walls, breathing heavy doses of Pet dander also.
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What YOU might be afraid of doesn't change what's been shown to actually BE harmful. Trying to dodge the argument with something entirely unrelated is ridiculous.

You're free to dig your own grave however you'd like.

Just don't expect others who know better to stand idly by when you try to encourage others to believe the same nonsense.
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What YOU might be afraid of doesn't change what's been shown to actually BE harmful. Trying to dodge the argument with something entirely unrelated is ridiculous.

You're free to dig your own grave however you'd like.

Just don't expect others who know better to stand idly by when you try to encourage others to believe the same nonsense.
Do not know where you are getting that I am afraid of stuff. Again, a person has more of a chance getting hit by a car while out for a walk, falling down stairs, slipping in the bath or Kitchen, then they do of getting Cancer from Radon, Asbestos, or Lead Poisoning, from being in a pre-1970 home.

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