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Old 12-31-2011, 04:01 PM   #16
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[quote=Brushjockey;808359]20 sands pretty tough. Are you putting a premixed over that for easier sanding? It can be second coated as soon as hard, but for sanding it needs to be completely dry, not just hard. If you are in a hurry, put a fan on it - that will speed up drying considerably.
Use a trouble light to sand- and a hand sander and a sponge ( med grit) and after you prime, look it over with the light again- you will for sure see things that will need a little touch up.

If you have a shop vac- you can put a wide tool on it and vac off the dust. you will need it for clean up anyway.

If I as a pro I did this i think it would be done very much faster because i would know what to do and how to do it, and have the tools to do it with.
I have done similar jobs hundreds of times.
I guess thats what makes pros.[/quote]

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Did you use the easy sand 20? White bag, not brown.
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Old 12-31-2011, 06:06 PM   #18
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keep in mind that you can use a flat ceiling paint and this will hide imperfections, so you can get away with some faint ridges of former paint.

dont' forget to prime the mudded areas well, you want to build up the paint over the mud to achieve a similar texture to the rest of the ceiling i.e. the texture of rolled on paint.

We might be faster, but this kind of thing is hard work for pros to, don't worry. good luck!


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keep in mind that you can use a flat ceiling paint and this will hide imperfections, so you can get away with some faint ridges of former paint.

dont' forget to prime the mudded areas well, you want to build up the paint over the mud to achieve a similar texture to the rest of the ceiling i.e. the texture of rolled on paint.

We might be faster, but this kind of thing is hard work for pros to, don't worry. good luck!


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Actually, I see a lot of you guys are like the "real pros". However, in real life, I have never met one myself. For the past 6 months of remodeling my newly-bought 60-year old house, I changed from a hands-off person to a DIY-er, mainly because I think I could do a much better/cleaner job than any of the contractors that I have hired. I don't know where to hire the real pros. The contractor who built my new addition said he never prime before he paint. He said what I read from the internet was just false. LOL.


The projects that I have paid somebody to do were: kitchen remodeling, new roof, all windows change, garage door change, garage drywall, some electrical wiring, build a 400-sq-ft addition to the house, some gardening work, some plumbing work, some stucco repair work.
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Well, that's unfortunate. But its true that for every 'true pro' there are probably several hack-job-joes, and it takes a bit of research to find the good ones...

The guy who said he doesn't prime before painting new drywall falls into the latter category.(assuming he drywalled and painted your addition) I hope you don't have peeling walls in the next few years!
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Well, that's unfortunate. But its true that for every 'true pro' there are probably several hack-job-joes, and it takes a bit of research to find the good ones...

The guy who said he doesn't prime before painting new drywall falls into the latter category.(assuming he drywalled and painted your addition) I hope you don't have peeling walls in the next few years!
That is what I am worrying about. I argued with him several times about this priming thing. He refuted citing that during all of his 20 years of working as a contractor, he has never used primer and never got any problems. He is giving me 5 year warranty on the paint job BTW.
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Although I do recommend using actual primer for new sheetrock, with most of the acrylic paints now that claim" paint and primer " ( see the thread about that here) , going straight on new rock does actually work.
If one is using a quality , and more expensive finish coat, it ,make sense to use a primer meant for the job and save the good stuff for when it counts.
if one is using cheap, who cares...
But chances are for that you will be OK.
Do see the thread about the all in one though. Very informative.
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Its true, it will work to use a paint-primer-in-one type product, but this is not ideal. Stand-alone primer, then paint is always better, and drywall primer is cheap anyway. Contractors might save time by using one paint, but its really cutting corners overall IMO. I agree with Brushjockey, it doesn't make sense to waste quality paint to seal drywall as it will absorb it and require significantly more paint. But then if the guy used a cheap paint directly, then the issue might be durability of the finish as well...
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That is what I am worrying about. I argued with him several times about this priming thing. He refuted citing that during all of his 20 years of working as a contractor, he has never used primer and never got any problems. He is giving me 5 year warranty on the paint job BTW.

Get that in writing and read the fine print

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