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katemn 08-16-2011 11:01 PM

Interior paint quality-help!
 
INTERIOR PAINT QUALITY-HELP!
I am a grandmother of 11 who is downsizing from my home after 22 years into a condo! Since we consider this our "last home" it makes sense to put a very scrubable high quality paint that will withstand grandchildren prior to even moving into the new condo.

I got a quote from a good painter .. requested the name of the paint used .. was told it was Behr Flat Enamel .. did a little research and it seems it is a fairly middle of the road quality .. not that “scrubbable”.

I’ve read that Ace Sensations Matte finish paint wears well and is a good paint for the money .. better than the Behr. Costs more but better quality .. yet cheaper than Benjamin Moore or Sherwin Williams.

Since we are painting the entire condo and storage area .. I would really appreciate opinions of the two paints!

Thanks SO much for you help .. we need to make a decision within a few days.

DannyT 08-16-2011 11:07 PM

go for a paint from benjamin moore or sherwin williams in an eggshell or satin. stay away from behr.

user1007 08-16-2011 11:22 PM

I am sort of forced retired but painted for a living. I do not know any pro painters that would recommend you use Behr! One doing so would be a red flag if I were on the hiring end.

Read the posts on Behr on this site just to start.

Use paint from a real paint store or a factory authorized department in a neighborhood hardware store. Benjamin Moore is my first choice but if you insisted on Sherwin Williams I would not blink or say anything. Both companies have excellent products that perform well. Just stay away yourself, and have your painter stay away from, box store, high mark-up crap paint.

If money is a major issue in this paint job? Ben Moore and Sherwin Williams both make excellent contractor grade paint that is still far superior to box store nonsense but price competitive with it before you ask for a discount.

Sheen is up to you. Interior paint from Benjamin Moore comes from flat to semi-gloss in multiple steps in its higher end paints but there are fewer in the contractor grade. Remember the higher the sheen, the more any wall surface defects will show.

Buy, or have your painter buy, the best and most appropriate paints you can afford. It is really a small part of painting an entire condo space right? And like I say, hire someone good. I only touched Behr and other box store paints when some church or other bleeding heart charitable place got it given to them and needed a favor.

chrisn 08-17-2011 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by katemn (Post 708968)
INTERIOR PAINT QUALITY-HELP!
I am a grandmother of 11 who is downsizing from my home after 22 years into a condo! Since we consider this our "last home" it makes sense to put a very scrubable high quality paint that will withstand grandchildren prior to even moving into the new condo.

I got a quote from a good painter .:eek:. requested the name of the paint used .. was told it was Behr Flat Enamel .. did a little research and it seems it is a fairly middle of the road quality .. not that “scrubbable”.

I’ve read that Ace Sensations Matte finish paint wears well and is a good paint for the money .. better than the Behr. Costs more but better quality .. yet cheaper than Benjamin Moore or Sherwin Williams.

Since we are painting the entire condo and storage area .. I would really appreciate opinions of the two paints!

Thanks SO much for you help .. we need to make a decision within a few days.

Run as fast as you can from this "painter":huh: and listen to the others already posted.

coloradotrout 08-17-2011 11:18 AM

My 2 cents. First I'm not a pro painter, but I've painted interior walls, trim, and exterior windows of my own homes. I've used Behr, some paint store brand that was not BM or SW (maybe Kelly Moore?), Valspar, and some recent stuff from Ace. I bought some BM exterior Ben on Monday to "try it out" on some fascia. The Kelly Moore (or whatever) was poor. The Ace paint, IMO, too thin. I used Valspar gloss white on exterior trim and it's doing well after 3 years.

I've painted entire rooms with Behr interior. It's fine. I'm only trying BM to see if maybe it applies better. But at $40/gallon for Ben vs $25 for Behr, maybe the $s sway me towards Behr for interior, unless it really goes on just so much easier. In my last home we used semi-gloss, satin, eggshell and flat enamel. I would NOT - repeat NOT use Behr flat enamel in any wear-area. In fact, I would not use flat enamel period. It scuffs very easily. However, eggshell and satin wear well. That home is now rented, and each time I do a bit of touch-up. The flat-enamel needs much more work than the eggshell and satin.

But also -- and this is important -- just keep a quart on-hand and do a simple touch-up every year. Just do it -- make it apart of spring cleaning. Wipe the wall with a wet rag(bit of soap and water) and brush-on enough to cover the wear-marks plus a bit more. You won't worry so much about the few scuffs you do get and the touch-up makes the entire job look like new. Spread it on thin and you will not be able tell it was a touch-up.

So, in short -- use an eggshell or satin (or higher gloss if you want -- we used semi-gloss in the kitchen and baths) -- and just figure on a once-per-year touch up. I'd use Behr/Valspar inside, but I've not yet tried BM or SW at 40-60/gallon. Maybe they are great. I'm probably going to use BM for my exterior work. My house had BM Moorgard applied 11 years ago. It needs to be painted now. So forget about the 25 year warranty - it's meaningless. But 10 years seems pretty good to me, and if now I only need to appy 1-coat, I'd be happy.

For touch-up -- it does make it nice if you use the same color and sheen everywhere :-) I know that is boring, but it saves time doing touch-up.

DrHicks 08-17-2011 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by katemn (Post 708968)
INTERIOR PAINT QUALITY-HELP!
I am a grandmother of 11 who is downsizing from my home after 22 years into a condo! Since we consider this our "last home" it makes sense to put a very scrubable high quality paint that will withstand grandchildren prior to even moving into the new condo.

I got a quote from a good painter .. requested the name of the paint used .. was told it was Behr Flat Enamel .. did a little research and it seems it is a fairly middle of the road quality .. not that “scrubbable”.

I’ve read that Ace Sensations Matte finish paint wears well and is a good paint for the money .. better than the Behr. Costs more but better quality .. yet cheaper than Benjamin Moore or Sherwin Williams.

Since we are painting the entire condo and storage area .. I would really appreciate opinions of the two paints!

Thanks SO much for you help .. we need to make a decision within a few days.

Behr is used mostly by DIYers. Lots of people absolutely love to badmouth it, and act like it's nothing more than tinted urine - or worse. But it's nowhere near that bad. It's a middle-of-the-road paint.

However, if you're going to pay the money to hire a professional painter, and you're looking to this as basically a "last coat" kind of job, I'd look seriously at some of the higher-end paints.

I also wouldn't go with flat paint, regardless of the fact that most painters love to use it because it hides imperfections. Eggshell or Satin finish will clean better.

jschaben 08-18-2011 02:11 AM

I work in a maintenance department at a call center and we have been using Sherwin Williams ProMar 200 in eggshell. Seems to be pretty tough and scrubbable. Touch up is also a breeze with it. Dries to touch in about 20 minutes.
One more thing I have noticed about Sherwin Williams, they seem to have a 30 to 40 percent off sales fairly regularly which brings their higher end paints very close to the Behrs and Gliddens.
I will say that I have used Behr exterior with none of the issues reflected in the forums. I wasn't impressed with the coverage but they only quote 250 sq ft/gal. I would also second the recommendation on using the eggshell texture. :)


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