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Old 12-06-2006, 12:28 AM   #1
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I just bought my first home. Most of the interior has wall paper. I am planning to get rid of wall paper and paint entire interior. I got a couple of contractors look at the job. One quoted me $1500 for wallpaper removal plus $5500 for painting. Total 6 room + 1/1 bath..hallways etc.

Other guy quoted me around $3500 for entire job.

I am wondering why so much difference in the quote? I would also appreciate if someone can tell me how I should approach this project.

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Old 12-06-2006, 03:20 AM   #2
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This is actually a tough question.

I know you're new to the neighborhood, but have you met people in the area? Work, church, neighbors? You could ask around about painters in the area.

Are the bids in writing? Does one bid show more prep, better paint, insurance etc?

One thing to consider is that when removing wall paper, there's the risk of damaged walls that will need to be repaired. That may be a factor in the higher bid. Profit is also a factor in any business. The low bid seems do-able, but not a lot of profit.

I read your previous posts about framing, and noticed that this is an older home. That should be a definate factor for any painter. How many layers of paper and what's under them, are the walls plaster? Those are a couple of questions that come to mind.


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Old 12-06-2006, 10:09 AM   #3
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first thing is to look at the difference between the bids, if that is possible. Number of coats, quality of paint/primer, time set aside for prep (a place you might save money by doing the taping yourself, if time is more available than money), these sort of things...

One common thing that happens during the bidding process is there are other factors besides just the time & materials. If a contractor has lots of work, or isn't as interested in the job, they may raise the bid to make it worth their time.

Like joe says, ask around, I occasionally worked for a cousin who was a painter, and he was could be pretty bad, a difficult position for me...

I'd get a couple of more quotes...
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What is the material behind the wallpaper? Is it drywall or plaster and lath?

If the wallpaper was installed properly (sized) then it should peel off relatively easy. If it was not sized then it may be a task to get it off.

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Thanks....bought my first home alongwith a bunch of new headaches and worries!!
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the house is old...built in 1920s.

Most of the rooms have wallpaper..some have more than one layer of wallpaper..one room has paint on wallpaper....walls have plaster...I was told that houses that old typically have horse hair plaster.

Will welcome all suggestions.

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Thanks....bought my first home alongwith a bunch of new headaches and worries!!

rafters pushing wall out...
roof needs repair...

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the house is old...built in 1920s.

Most of the rooms have wallpaper..some have more than one layer of wallpaper..one room has paint on wallpaper....walls have plaster...I was told that houses that old typically have horse hair plaster.

Will welcome all suggestions.

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I would try to remove the wallpaper in an out of sight area - like a closet or smaller room. If the wall paper comes down without a fight then you will save money and not have to pay someone else to do this task.

You may have to patch the wall surfaces after the wall paper comes off. You may have small dimples that are more noticeable after the wall paper is off.

I have removed wall paper that just peeled right off the wall . And other times it was a chore .

Patch the bad spots. Sand, prime and paint the walls.


Hope it works out for you.
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Back to the original question.

It does sound like the higher priced contractor is covering his butt with the price. The lower priced contractor is competitive, but if there are major problems with the walls after removal, he may find himself backed into a corner moneywise. And may be wanting to charge more for repairs.

In my (humble) opinion, the lower price is reasonable. This is based on both being competent, good painters, using similar methods, quality and products.

Do you mind my asking, are you on a tight budget?

At this point, I'd advise that you ask for written bids, with the wall paper issue to be addressed, in writing.

It would be reasonable for one guy to say that he can't tell you if there will be an extra charge until the paper is down. It would also be reasonable for another guy to say everything is included, no matter what problems may arise.

Hope this gets you where you want to be on the issue.
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Ok... i got written estimates from these two.

main differences that i noted were:
- expensive said that he wouldnt be responsible for wall repairs should there be any damage during wallpaper removal...
- expensive one said he will use 2 coats of primer "Kiltz" and two coats of paint...
-less expensive bidder..will repair any damged walls( he is a general contractor), one coat of primer and two coats of paint on entire interior...

So looks like the only thing against the less expensive bidder is that he will use one coat of primer... besides some othe rissues that i need to clarify..


Do I need two coats of primer? Most of the rooms in the house have never see the paint before.
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No, you don't need two coats of primer.

Kilz will do it in one coat. Did the GC say he would use kilz?

I would recommend getting more bids from painters anyway.

In 80 yrs. the house has never been painted? I wonder if the walls were sized before the paper went up? There has to be something on the plaster besides wall paper.

Being as it may, paper that old is likely to bleed some brownish residue during removal. Anything that old should be primed with solvent based product. The gc will probably use hired help, mediocre paint and leave you with a "new construction" paint job, rather than a professional paint job. It doesn't take a GC to repair the walls in this kind of situation. It's part of a professional painters job to do repairs like this on a daily basis.

Also, I ask myself why a GC would take on a paint job like this? He must be low on work. Painters get slow on work, but they only paint. GCs do everything and have a broader base of income possibilities.

My best recommendation would be to get more bids from Painters. Painters tend to have more skilled, better supervised help.
If the first bid is too high, and I think it is, look for other painters who will be more accomodating on the price and repairs.

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No, you don't need two coats of primer.

Kilz will do it in one coat. Did the GC say he would use kilz?

I would recommend getting more bids from painters anyway.

In 80 yrs. the house has never been painted? I wonder if the walls were sized before the paper went up? There has to be something on the plaster besides wall paper.

Being as it may, paper that old is likely to bleed some brownish residue during removal. Anything that old should be primed with solvent based product. The gc will probably use hired help, mediocre paint and leave you with a "new construction" paint job, rather than a professional paint job. It doesn't take a GC to repair the walls in this kind of situation. It's part of a professional painters job to do repairs like this on a daily basis.

Also, I ask myself why a GC would take on a paint job like this? He must be low on work. Painters get slow on work, but they only paint. GCs do everything and have a broader base of income possibilities.

My best recommendation would be to get more bids from Painters. Painters tend to have more skilled, better supervised help.
If the first bid is too high, and I think it is, look for other painters who will be more accomodating on the price and repairs.
I am just guessing that the house was never painted...it probably was...the previous owner had bought the house in 70s and I hear wallpaper was kinda in around that time...

I totally agree with you that GC might just use handymen type of workers not the professional painters. it also appears that he is low on work. I will ask him if he is going to use professional painter...ask about his name and possibly go take a look at the painters previous work
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Got quote from another painter...he quoted $5200 and $3200 if I removed paper myself.

He said he will use Zinsser primer (one coat) and benjamin moore paint( 2 coats) after applying skim coat...said he will scrap the cieling only if necessary.
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Talked to GC. He said he will use a professional painter but will use some "Golden" brand paint and primer. got a little upset when I asked if he could use BM paint...when I asked him how much more he would charge for using BM ..he said $200.

Since he will be sanding my hardwood floors and refinishing them as well, i f given the contract.....I asked him who would do the floors...he said he would do that himself....not sure if I will go with him... I really dont know how experienced he is in doing the floors....

the other question is ---do I really need someone who is very experienced to do my floors?

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