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Old 04-21-2012, 03:42 AM   #16
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Fair enough. I'll see if he'll charge me more. I'm guessing he's making 10-15k off this project including his time.

TO PAINT 5 ROOMS?????

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TO PAINT 5 ROOMS?????

I need to move to where ever you are,quick
He's finishing the entire basement - that includes the beams, the studs, the electrical work, plumbing for a full bathroom and kitchenette, the insulation, the walls, the paint, the ventilation, installation of cabinets etc. He was even going to do the flooring but Home Depot is cheaper so I'm having them install it. I'm paying him a flat fee of $35k and I'm guessing he will pay his crew and materials $20k-$25k with 10k-15k being his margin.

As you can imagine when he complained about the 6 colors, I was taken aback. I was expecting him to say "No problem" or "How many colors would you like sir?"...

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Old 04-21-2012, 07:35 AM   #18
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Yes, a painter should charge more for the more colors that are involved in a project I really doubt the painter will be making 10-15k off of your small project or even charging you 10-15k for 5 rooms. Regardless off the cost what is left over from material cost is not profit. There are insurances, labor burdens, indirect expenses and other direct expenses, local tax, fed tax and state tax that a business has to pay.
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Yes, a painter should charge more for the more colors that are involved in a project I really doubt the painter will be making 10-15k off of your small project or even charging you 10-15k for 5 rooms. Regardless off the cost what is left over from material cost is not profit. There are insurances, labor burdens, indirect expenses and other direct expenses, local tax, fed tax and state tax that a business has to pay.
The contractor is also doing the painting with his crew....

I'm covering the difference in material cost. We were talking about the labor cost and the general consensus is that it's about the same if the wall transitions are the same number which they are with 6 and 2 colors. He just needs a few more rollers and an open mind

If you were making 10-15k on a project, would you make a big deal about a few more rollers and washing a few more paint buckets? Would you blow a fuse over it???
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If he's a general contractor and not specifically a painter, chances are real good he doesnt have the efficiency of a painter.
Just like a good painter isn't necessarily a good carpenter.
There is def more material in changing colors, and if the changes are on inside corners and not full rooms, it is harder to make a clean line.
But to shop your job here so you can just complain to who you have hired is wrong.
Talk to him, not us.
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The contractor is also doing the painting with his crew....

I'm covering the difference in material cost. We were talking about the labor cost and the general consensus is that it's about the same if the wall transitions are the same number which they are with 6 and 2 colors. He just needs a few more rollers and an open mind

If you were making 10-15k on a project, would you make a big deal about a few more rollers and washing a few more paint buckets? Would you blow a fuse over it???
I do a lot larger projects than yours daily and yes I would submit you a change order and the contract price would increase. I don't understand why people expect painters to work for nothing or why people think painters make millions. If you read my earlier post it explains where some of a contractors money on a project goes to. If a contractor gave everyone freebies they would go bankrupt. We are in business to make money, not give handouts and loose money.
Go to a gas station and ask for one gallon of gas. I mean it is only a gallon of gas about the same price as a quality roller cover. Go to a grocery store and ask for a free gallon of milk its only 1 gallon of milk and about the cost of a quality roller cover.
The point is that if the contractor has 10-15k left after material expense he is lucky to actually keep a fraction of that after his other expenses. Is the general consensus business owners?
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I do a lot larger projects than yours daily and yes I would submit you a change order and the contract price would increase. I don't understand why people expect painters to work for nothing or why people think painters make millions. If you read my earlier post it explains where some of a contractors money on a project goes to. If a contractor gave everyone freebies they would go bankrupt. We are in business to make money, not give handouts and loose money.
Go to a gas station and ask for one gallon of gas. I mean it is only a gallon of gas about the same price as a quality roller cover. Go to a grocery store and ask for a free gallon of milk its only 1 gallon of milk and about the cost of a quality roller cover.
The point is that if the contractor has 10-15k left after material expense he is lucky to actually keep a fraction of that after his other expenses. Is the general consensus business owners?
First, no one expects painters to work for nothing so please don't put words in my mouth.

Second, how much would you charge and please justify where you think the extra effort would be?

Third, how much more would you charge if you were already making 10-15k on the same project?

Fourth, I own a business.

Fifth, the contractor is doing all the work on this project except flooring.

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I do a lot larger projects than yours daily and yes I would submit you a change order and the contract price would increase. I don't understand why people expect painters to work for nothing or why people think painters make millions. If you read my earlier post it explains where some of a contractors money on a project goes to. If a contractor gave everyone freebies they would go bankrupt. We are in business to make money, not give handouts and loose money.
Go to a gas station and ask for one gallon of gas. I mean it is only a gallon of gas about the same price as a quality roller cover. Go to a grocery store and ask for a free gallon of milk its only 1 gallon of milk and about the cost of a quality roller cover.
The point is that if the contractor has 10-15k left after material expense he is lucky to actually keep a fraction of that after his other expenses. Is the general consensus business owners?

Why is everyone making such a big deal out of this
The op said in the very first post that HE would provide the extra paint, so he is not asking for a freebie. He is simply asking this whiner to do his job. SERVICE the customer for crying out loud.
Its your house and if you want 6 colours then 6 colours you should have without complaint. It is not all that hard to add 4 more cut in's as well as walk over to the freakin can of new paint and open the thing...Sheesh
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If he's a general contractor and not specifically a painter, chances are real good he doesnt have the efficiency of a painter.
Just like a good painter isn't necessarily a good carpenter.
There is def more material in changing colors, and if the changes are on inside corners and not full rooms, it is harder to make a clean line.
But to shop your job here so you can just complain to who you have hired is wrong.
Talk to him, not us.
Probably not a very helpful attitude.
I don't agree that the op is complaining. He has asked a legit question regarding who is correct. I think he seriously wanted some opinions from people who have painted before.. Give him a break
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[quote=jsheridan;903397]Paintbird, where do I begin. Judging from everything you've written, and I've read it closely, I'm kind of nervous about your job. Firstly, the contractor who is finishing the basement is doing the painting? TSK, TSK. In my experience, that doesn't work out too well. We've one here, and that rarely goes well. If he was experienced as a paint estimator, he would have asked about color(s) in advance, sheens as well.

The prices that you list scare me. Twenty dollars doesn't even buy a gallon of Behr, and 45 for a fiver of primer?

As to rollers, they cost about $3.00 a pop. Any "painter" who would wash and use the same roller through 4-6 colors is a fool and, if you pay him an extra 100-200 to do so, you're a bigger one. Each color, one cover, beginning to end.

I'm sure you're an expert at whatever job it is you do, and I would never go to your forum and tell you how it is. For you to say that using six different colors as opposed to two isn't more work, when you obviously know little to nothing about painting, is ignorant.

Read post # 11 paragraph 4. He already offered to pay him more labour $


Where did you learn that you can use flat paint as a primetell you that? If he did he's r. Did he wrong.

The op came here to educate himself a little better in the whole process and now you call him ignorant.

With all due respect, your story sounds like the blind leading the blind. I'm not trying to bash you. It just seems like you know what you know, and regardless of what you hear here, you know better. I'm just trying to break through that wall of ignorance.[/quote]

I think this painter/contractor just whined himself out of a future 35k referral

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Paintbird, where do I begin. Judging from everything you've written, and I've read it closely, I'm kind of nervous about your job. Firstly, the contractor who is finishing the basement is doing the painting? TSK, TSK. In my experience, that doesn't work out too well. We've one here, and that rarely goes well. If he was experienced as a paint estimator, he would have asked about color(s) in advance, sheens as well.

The prices that you list scare me. Twenty dollars doesn't even buy a gallon of Behr, and 45 for a fiver of primer?

As to rollers, they cost about $3.00 a pop. Any "painter" who would wash and use the same roller through 4-6 colors is a fool and, if you pay him an extra 100-200 to do so, you're a bigger one. Each color, one cover, beginning to end.

I'm sure you're an expert at whatever job it is you do, and I would never go to your forum and tell you how it is. For you to say that using six different colors as opposed to two isn't more work, when you obviously know little to nothing about painting, is ignorant.

Read post # 11 paragraph 4. He already offered to pay him more labour $


Where did you learn that you can use flat paint as a primetell you that? If he did he's r. Did he wrong.

The op came here to educate himself a little better in the whole process and now you call him ignorant.

With all due respect, your story sounds like the blind leading the blind. I'm not trying to bash you. It just seems like you know what you know, and regardless of what you hear here, you know better. I'm just trying to break through that wall of ignorance.[/quote]

I think this painter/contractor just whined himself out of a future 35k referral

JSheridan is not the painter contractor in question in th O P .
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Probably not a very helpful attitude.
I don't agree that the op is complaining. He has asked a legit question regarding who is correct. I think he seriously wanted some opinions from people who have painted before.. Give him a break
Thanks Creeper. Exactly, I wanted to find out if going from 2 colors to 6 colors would add much more labor.

My personal feeling was that it would cost more to get the paint and I would be glad to pay that.

When it came to the labor, I assumed that there'd be a little more overhead with pouring another color and washing materials.

Based on the replies, I think it depends on the painter. Some painters would view it as slightly more work and others would consider it the equivalent of repainting the Sistine Chapel with only 6 colors.

I've been trying to figure out what a reasonable surcharge would be given the dimensions but unfortunately no one has been able to provide me with that. Strangely, wall transitions would be exactly the same with 6 colors as with 2 colors - we're laughing with my wife as we counted the places where we change colors and they're the exact same.

The extra labor is that he needs more rollers and has to walk to the can of paint, pour it and wash it along with all the air he has had to expel while complaining to me

AFAIK, it doesn't take more time to paint with off-white than it takes to paint with blue so if your corner has Color 1 and Color 2 on each side, it's the same effort to paint as having Color 1 and Color 3. It's the cut-ins that would add more labor but the cut-ins are the same with 2 colors. In fact, he's lucky cause he would have to 2-tone some walls with 2 colors so the 6 colors would save him labor as he can paint the whole wall with one color.

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If the 35k is not enough, give him 10 bucks and call it square
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If the 35k is not enough, give him 10 bucks and call it square
I have to agree with you especially since there's a bigger contract involved and there's also word-of-mouth.

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