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Old 01-27-2013, 04:05 PM   #31
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Don't know when it started, but when it comes to the actual label on the can, the paint manufacturers seem to be consistent as far as "matte" having more sheen than "flat".

But language like this does not help IMO (read w.r.t. flat/matte)

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You win dude. I see you really need the last word- so there it is.
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You win dude. I see you really need the last word- so there it is.
huh? I wasn't "winning" I was agreeing with you and posting more info. Is that a problem for you?
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Sometimes the trees aren't visible due to the forest being in the way..
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You didn't even read the link, did you?
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nope.
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I'm sure Ric could chemically break down the difference btwn a true flat and a matte finish. Matte, as a sheen descriptor, has been around for ages. While mattes may get clumped in with "flats" which may or may not have a slight, incidental angular sheen, mattes, "flat enamels", and velvets, have a definite angular sheen and in some lights/cases an incidental direct sheen. The sheen falls between flat and eggshell. I'll split the difference, mattes are a sub-niche of flat.
It's different chemistry, not semantics.
I'm watching the late afternoon sun glisten off my BM Matte kitchen wall as we speak. If flat and matte were the same why would BM offer both in their Regal line?
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nope.
BJ, I don't think this discussion is being argumentative. The primer thread, yes, that was ugly. If as Jeff says it's a misleading marketing hype or as you say confusing, then fleshing it out is beneficial and educational for the HO's. After all, ccarlisle did ask if there is a difference between matte and flat. Even if we don't arrive at a definitive answer, we'll at least provide something to think about and give the HO's a better understanding of the distinction when faced with the choice of what they need. Sometimes finding the truth is ugly business.
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There is no "true " flat- or "true" matte. My point.
There is a wide range that each fall into- and the co's are not bound to use those definitions.
Just like Paleolithic- means a several billion year age- and not all types of creatures lived in all of it. ( ok- that was a stretch!)
Matte or eggshell is a "range" and a pretty wide one at that.
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There is no "true " flat- or "true" matte. My point.

True, when I said "true" I meant flats that are not enamels, which mattes are.

There is a wide range that each fall into- and the co's are not bound to use those definitions.
Agreed. MAB flat enamel and Regal matte may have two different sheen levels, but they're both enamels.

Just like Paleolithic- means a several billion year age- and not all types of creatures lived in all of it. ( ok- that was a stretch!)

Matte or eggshell is a "range" and a pretty wide one at that.
Yes, and I believe that the sheen range levels should be flat, matte, eggshell, satin, etc. I would bet that the sheen of Super Spec eggshell is lower than the sheen of Regal Matte, at least that's how it appears in my house. My trim is SS eggshell and some walls are RM, which look a little more reflective.


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I'm staying out of this one, but, I don't think an article published by HD is necessarily valid in this case.
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And I think in SW- Satin is below ( AKA matte) eggshell..
So go figure.

And "enamel" is now an antiquated term. Not so relevant with today's' WB paints. Hard to tell what is enamel and what is not.
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Confusion abounds.
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I remember using a matte paint about twelve years ago in a customer's home over some textured wallpaper. I don't remember the brand of paint because she supplied it.First time I heard the term.
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The house is about 25 years old. The Matte paint in the bathroom is bubbling off the wall right where there should be a back splash. I can't remember if it was like that when we moved in 1 year ago or if my son let some water build up in that area. It was not from steam while we lived here because that bathroom was not used for showering or bathing. Do you think I should repaint in eggshell or semi-gloss?

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