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Old 05-19-2013, 12:19 AM   #16
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Blast the hell out of it with a pressure washer, you don't need to be concerned with damaging the wood, just blast it. Then follow Sdsesters original advice and go with Woodscapes, it can be applied to damp wood, so you don't have to allow too much time to dry out, because you don't have any time. Explain your hardship to the paint store manager and tell him how the city is screwing you with no lube. I'll bet he'll ring you up under a large contractor's account and you'll get a significant price break. Then get a helper. One of you works a 9 x 3/4" roller, the other a three or four inch brush. The roller rolls the siding up and down like a regular wall with the brusher following behind laying it off horizontally going top to bottom. Hell, you may not even need the brusher. Just slap the crap on. One coat you're done. No more exposed wood, no more peeling paint. The city wants a painted turd, give it to them, pure white, heartless bastards. With all due respect to my com-padres, putting a scraper and sander to that, and priming with the intention of painting is a waste of time. A lot of that wood looks so beat it may not even hold paint without serious mechanical resurfacing. I recommend that based on your desire to demolish it and the time frame you're under. God bless you and your daughter.

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Old 05-19-2013, 03:32 AM   #17
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what ^^^ said, no doubt about it

for sure

nuff said

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Please educate yourself on the dangers of lead poisoning before you pressure wash/ scrape old paint. A common way children get poisoned is by lead dust being brought into the home on clothes/ shoes / tools. Lead dust is very fine( invisible) and prolific. It's especially dangerous to work around if you have small children in the home. Even a small amount that say, falls off your jacket onto the floor, then gets tracked around the house is very dangerous to young children. The EPA , whatever its faults, is trying to educate people on these dangers. IMO, they are not doing a great job. Lead poisoning is very real, very bad.
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Right, and this is my biggest concern, and the reason for me not wanting to do much prepping beyond scraping the big loose stuff... I've tried to be careful so far and scraped onto tarps, collect that in bags, leave the shoes and gloves outside, clothes go straight to the wash.

My daughter has been through too much in her short life for her stupid dad to make it worse :-)

Btw you can check out the cuteness on http://www.andrewanderin.com ... You's have to go back to the nov/dec posts to see her so tiny.

Now I had considered pressure washing onto tarps to collect chips and let the water drain back against the garage as the foundation will be dug up and redone when we have the garage redone. We could always pay a bit more to have a few yards of dirt scraped away that are contributing to bad slope ok the yard anyways. Until then I could always mulch up to the garage which the EPA recommends.

I suppose after all this talk I should buy a test kit and verify the issue, but as old as it is it seems likely there is at least some lead

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Clock is ticking! You mentioned weather issues on the horizon (pun intended). Best not to add too many ancillary activities to, or otherwise complicate, this project at hand. You can test residual chips after you get this prepped and a coat of solid stain on this thing with the money you save avoiding the looming fine! Acting and treating it as if lead will certainly not hurt you so pick up a tyvek suit and some booties if you want. Procrastination could cost you soon.
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SW is closed today, so I have today to prep and get the sprayer. Woodscapes solid is an acrylic/water based right? So cleanup for the sprayer should be more straightforward than the an oil primer.

You mentioned it can be applied to wood that isn't completely dry? So if I do a pressure washer run today (if only to get the dirt and grime off the paint that is there after I scrape the loose stuff), will I be good to go on painting tomorrow assuming it doesn't rain?
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Unfortunately OP, we don't have time to play fiddles. Today is the 19th, that gives you five days to get a lot of work done, in between the rest of your life. Lead, lead, lead, blah, blah, blah. I'm not discounting lead and it's impact, but we're not talking radiation or anthrax, where the slightest little bit can cause serious bodily injury or death. It's called elevated blood levels of lead, meaning there is a natural amount the body can absorb. Personally, I think electricity is a more ever present danger than lead.

There is plenty of environmental lead that we're exposed to on a daily basis, and it's still being used in some processes and products. That's not counting the legacy stuff in the water and soil from past usage. It's not healthy, granted, but as true as that is it is also true that it's way over-hyped. The likelihood that you're going to transfer any of that lead to anyone's detriment is minuscule, just like the amount that would be transferred. If we're being truly honest, that thing's been a hazard all along. Now we're going to worry about lead exposure?

If you water blast it, it's wet, no dust. Clean up the debris, while it's wet. If it dries out mist it with a hose to keep the dust down. Then hose the area down. Wear a protective suit that you can throw away and rubber boots that you can hose off afterwards.

I'm not trying to minimize your concerns. I just think that when "experts" ring alarm bells we tend to become irrational, panic and over react. Everyday it's a new threat or warning. We may just as well kill ourselves now and save ourselves all the pain and danger of life on planet earth. Just be careful and not sloppy and you'll be fine. Oh, and watch out for that bus.
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SW is closed today, so I have today to prep and get the sprayer. Woodscapes solid is an acrylic/water based right? So cleanup for the sprayer should be more straightforward than the an oil primer.

You mentioned it can be applied to wood that isn't completely dry? So if I do a pressure washer run today (if only to get the dirt and grime off the paint that is there after I scrape the loose stuff), will I be good to go on painting tomorrow assuming it doesn't rain?
I cannot remember if Woodscapes comes in both a solvent and waterbased formulation but in your case you want the waterbased acrylic product if there are two. I know it comes in factory colors but you can also have it tinted, like paint, to anything. Especially White white can be somewhat unforgiving in coverage so at least think about an offwhite. Or pick some color that will look decent and cover the darkened siding for sure with the least amount of product. A grayish green or brown? Tan, etc.

You don't want to put Woodscapes over soaking wet siding but it will work fine over something slightly damp. So if you pressure wash today you should be fine to apply tomorrow.

When pressure washing, and even though additional rot is not your major concern, do try not to get water up under the siding. No reason to make problems for yourself in case you do not get to this project in two years?

You might want to thin the product a bit and no more than the label suggests if you are intent on spraying. Have a roller or brush handy to chase/backroll/backbrush your spray pattern. I really think you would find rolling this, as Professor Sheridan suggests, will be as fast or faster. No garage ornament value in a roller cover though like there is in a sprayer.

Cute little girl by the way!

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SW is closed today, so I have today to prep and get the sprayer. Woodscapes solid is an acrylic/water based right? So cleanup for the sprayer should be more straightforward than the an oil primer.

You mentioned it can be applied to wood that isn't completely dry? So if I do a pressure washer run today (if only to get the dirt and grime off the paint that is there after I scrape the loose stuff), will I be good to go on painting tomorrow assuming it doesn't rain?
Yes, SW claims that you can wash and stain in the same day. I wouldn't do it that way, but I think the next day should be fine.
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Surprised SW is closed today......my store has 10 - 6 hours on Sunday.
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Yep. Downtown and south of downtown are both closed according to their site.
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Yep. Downtown and south of downtown are both closed according to their site.
Reminds me to remind you to update your profile with basic geographic information. You may have mentioned it in a post but best to make it permanent. Of course it will not get a SW store open on Sunday apparently.

Even here I think the company owned Benjamin Moore stores are closed on Sundays. At least the one nearest me but I use the dealer inside an ACE store anyhow.
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Thanks for the reminder. I added my location for now. Just picked up the tradeworks 170 so I guess there is no going back now :-)
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I could tear this thing down faster than I could paint it. Get a dumpster, Buy a Keg and some Burgers and have a demo party.
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Perhaps you did not hear JoeC properly. This garage is dangerous. I see severe deflection in the roof, look at the fascia. The whole structure is leaning, There is no support, etc etc etc. Get a chain saw, a couple of sledge hammers, crow bars and ripper shovels. Tear it down and be done with it. Why waste money on paint?

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