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Old 11-08-2012, 01:36 PM   #16
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I thought I had to use oil or a hybrid or laquer or something hard on trim. I can use a latex wall paint like regal? Seems like it would be alot easier to build it up, if so. Advance is a nice finish but a pain in the keester (i.e. multiple real thin coats required). Why don't people do regal or aura on trim more? Not hard enough/rubbery finish? all the older guys I've asked generally use satin impervo oil if we're talking BM and the younger guys use advance. OP if you want a real shiny old school finish, you could try the new BM fine entrance stuff or whatver it is called (go to BM's site) it is a copy cat or atempted copy of the fine paint of europe's grand entrance; or just go with advance in the gloss. I would fire your paint store for refering you to a latex lower sheen when you told them you wanted a really shiny finish on trim that would level. Also, if you're worried about brush marks you might dial it back a notch on the sheen so they won't be so prominent.
Nothing wrong with Regal or Aura but as far as I know, the highest sheen they come in is semi-gloss. As mentioned before, if you want high gloss, in a waterbased Benjamin Moore product, you have to use Impervex (a 100 percent acrylic and not to be confused with Impervo, the oil based product) or Advance which leaves an alkyd, not an acrylic film. Advance is one of the new hybrids and is nice because it has an extended work time, like Impervo. As mentioned, I believe it is prone to yellowing and chalking over time which acrylics are not.

I used to use a lot of MABs interior high gloss acrylic product and it was a great product. I am not sure how it has been folded into the Sherwin Williams line.

Although Ben Moore was a fave through many years, I am intrigued by the fact that O'Leary Paints out of Michigan really aced a major film coatings industry study in 2012. Nobody came close to the semi-gloss. I need to paint, or have painted, my place and may give it a shot.

By the way, I hope the OP considers whether he really, really wants a high gloss finish on all the trim. It can be rather glaring in my opinion.


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Old 11-08-2012, 05:25 PM   #17
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Yeah, nothing wrong with them, just didn't think people used them on trim and wood work much. Thought that used to be oil's territory and only recently are people using the waterborne stuff. OP, BM has a relatively new product called grand entrance that is a waterborne alkyd that is supposed to emulate FPE's shiny fancy stuff. Sounds like it might be what you want if you want that old school fancy look.
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Thanks for all the replys. I am not completele loyal to ay certain brand. I visit the Pittsburg store as well as the SW store. All have very helpful and seeming inteligent employees. I just happened to be at the BM store with a friend and bought ny paint there. They also recently sent me a $50 coupon, so I'll probably use them for my future purchases. Maybe some brushes and rollers.
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I agree........Ben Moore "Advance" High Gloss, it is a GREAT finish!
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The quality of gloss paints is very variable. The best finish will be with an oil based product. Also an oil based primer/sealer will help achieve a superior outcome. Seal any holes, nail marks, etc with a wood filler and sand with 220 grit paper. Vacuum or tack cloth the sanded material. any dust or sanded grit will mar the eventual finish. Apply the oil-based primer with a good quality brush and only to a small area at a time. Back brush lightly to get rid of brush marks because these will show up when the finish coats are applied. Allow the primer to dry preferably 24 hours. A second coat of primer can be applied if time is not an issue. Otherwise apply the oil-based high gloss finish in similar fashion. Small amounts of paint and area at a time. Gently backbrush periodically to smooth out brush marks. If the paint is put on too heavily it will run especially on vertical surfaces, flat surfaces less so. Because it is oil-based the drying time is longer(4 hours to the touch)but that gives you time to work it to get rid of brush marks. Allow this coat to dry 24 hours. Yo will be pleasantly surprised as to how the paint tightens up and glosses up ovr 24 hours. Apply a second coat and you will get a higher gloss with a second coat. It is a lot of work and preparation but if you have the time, the finish will be superior. Do not use a roller with oil paint unless you intend to backbrush the entire job any way. A foam roller will leave minute bubbles in the surface which gives it a textured finish. Even backbrushing out the bubbles doesn't necessarily remove them. A 1/4" nap high quality mohair roller is acceptable to use but still has to be backbrushed and sometimes bits of the roller do come off and end up in the finish as little nubs here and there. The best is to spray it but with the overspray it gets messy. If the wood or metal can be sprayed before installing then that will achieve the best result especially with an airless sprayer. Once installed the nail holes have to be filled and touched up. The "brush marks" that remain from carefully brushing with good brushes are really minimal and actually give it character so it doesn't look simply like a piece of plastic or formica. The absolute best paints that I have found is 1) Hollandelac from Holland(obviously) and can be bought on-line or Janovics in NYC. It costs $41/"EuroQuart". This is about 3/4 of our quart. It's expensive but for a small project that you really want to highlight(like a super high gloss entrance door) you will not be disappointed. You can thin it slightly with mineral spirits to make it go on a bit easeir and extend it a little. The almost equivalent that is "only" $20/American quart is Glidden's gel paint available at Home Depot. I did test panels on a wall with and without primers. The best finish was 2 coats of Hollandelac over a primed surface, but a really close second was the Glidden with or without primer it was almost identical but a bit glossier with the primer. For less tha half the price the Glidden is a better choice if money is an issue. Also the Glidden's white is whiter and brighter. Glidden does not make it in a gallon size. Hollandelac does but again its their "EuroGallon" $138/ eurogallon. I think the Hollandelac also goes a longer way and gives better coverage overall. The Glidden material is a very thick gel that almost looks like Tofu. You must mix it with a stick ,. Do not mix it with a machine or shaker. I do not think it is advised to spray the Glidden gel. They are both outstanding products for a really unique gloss look.
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I'd read that, but without a paragraph somewhere it just makes my eyes spin.

And it's an old thread- not that that's a bad thing..
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I am new to this site. Didn't realize it was an old conversation. Also I was just hacking away so didn't put paragraphs especially since this isn't an English writing course.
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I too, gave up.



Why not go all out and post in caps..
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I am new to this site. Didn't realize it was an old conversation. Also I was just hacking away so didn't put paragraphs especially since this isn't an English writing course.
No, no it's not an English language course, but it is a respectful environment, and saying that isn't respectful. Your paragraph may be interesting but no one will ever know. I didn't read it either. It's your choice.
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I quit after reading this bold statement

"The best finish will be with an oil based product."
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Statement like that and with only two posts could get you in trouble and reported as a possible troll.

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I am new to this site. Didn't realize it was an old conversation. Also I was just hacking away so didn't put paragraphs especially since this isn't an English writing course.
Welcome to the forum.

Please keep in mind that what you type will be read/viewed on different size monitors. So while one member may have a 23" monitor that reading a long single paragraph is easy, others may only have a 17" or smaller, and a long paragraph is a struggle to read.

Thread closed. No need to beat a dead horse.

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