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Old 06-29-2012, 05:58 PM   #1
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Help me pick my poison - Primer MDF , Poplar


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I don't have enough bin red to cover all...
Poplar is for trim. MDF is just access panels (millwork) in hinges that are flush to the wall to access utility meters, etc.

Which one to use on what.
I have tons of Fresh Start Premium (BM46), Gardz, some Bin Blue and just enough Bin Red to cover either or.

Second - when priming/sealing MDF, what's the proper technique . I used Gardz on ~green MDF--aka, moisture resistent MDF~ and got grain raise. I did a quick screen with 150 and it's good. The sides will need more loving and a 2nd coat of primer.


Or for all you pro's out there - just avoid it all and go run out get some more Bin Red ?

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Old 06-29-2012, 07:17 PM   #2
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Which fresh start is the BM46? Raw wood really does best with oil primer. Guardz is more of a moisture sealing drywall primer.

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The Fresh Start has been renamed.
It's my goto drywall primer next to gardz.

http://www.benjaminmoore.com/en-us/f...6&advs=0&tab=3
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BTW, does BIN Red level well.
For the mdf panels, I'm inclined to brush the primer and then get the roller out for paint.
However...I won't want brush marks to telegraph through the paint
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I haven't tried Gardz on raw wood or MDF. Seems like you want something with both pigment and sandability. I also think the bin is overkill- this is easier than that.
I would use the Fresh start - I am starting a remodel on mon with new wood to enamel, and will be using Primecoat 2 to prime the wood.
Finish in Aura Satin.
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Brushjockey :

Do you add any extender on the Satin.

Matte for the panels (same as wall) and satin is speced for trim
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The extender does help- I also will add just a bit of water too- only to my cut bucket- not the supply. Adjust as needed.. very little..
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So you have 3 primers that really shouldn't be used. Bin is a stain/problem solver. It can be used on wood or MDF but there are much better products. Guardz seals moisture from penetrating drywall, and straight latex primer raises the grain of the wood. A nice oil based primer is what you should be using.
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I've been using BIN or Cover Stain on doors, Pine frames/MDF panels, for water base topcoats. I've been brushing the edges and rolling the faces with no problems. Neither seem to raise the grain nor adversely affect the MDF.
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The ol' time best of the best on raw wood was BM Oil Enamel underbody.
Not great on coverage but sanded to babys bottom.
That and topped with BM Oil Satin Impervo ( before the EPA porked it) and you had the top of the line.
Now I often can't use oil ( read stinky stuff) on jobs because everybody has been convinced they will die.

So other systems must be found. And the combination of technique and products= a system.
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The ol' time best of the best on raw wood was BM Oil Enamel underbody.
Not great on coverage but sanded to babys bottom.
That and topped with BM Oil Satin Impervo ( before the EPA porked it) and you had the top of the line.
Now I often can't use oil ( read stinky stuff) on jobs because everybody has been convinced they will die.

So other systems must be found. And the combination of technique and products= a system.

I still ( about once a year) come across a real old couple that insist on oil for everything. Now, it becomes a challenge to get. Times have changed

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