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Old 06-05-2012, 01:38 PM   #1
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HELP! 4 coats of BIN and pet odor still atrocious!


I ripped up carpet and padding, removed tack strips, and coated the subflooring (looks like particle board with giant particles) with two coats of Zinsser BIN primer and then two coats of Zinsser BIN shellac and when you get down to check the smell, it smells like a fresh urine stain. Ugh. I even made sure to soak cracks (moving brush in all directions to get in between all the "particles&quot and coated base boards with shellac. Scared to lay down new flooring. I didn't know to try the enzymes before I painted. So that's too late. Struggling single mom who doessn't have the bucks, the know-how, or the strength to repace subflooring. WHAT TO DO?!

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Old 06-05-2012, 04:52 PM   #2
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Partical board looks like saw dust held together with glue, OSB looks like wood chips.
If it still smells after all that there not much you can do except replace it.

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the only other thing you can try is an odor eliminator with encapsulation. i work in restoration and we have a wide range of products for this but unsure what supplier or wholesaler we get them from. i did a quick google search and got this http://www.kpg-industrial.com/produc...on_technology/
im not sure if this product is for pet odor but this will send you in the right direction. you could go to a local restoration company and ask if they have any products if not im sure they can give you numbers or catalogs. hope this helps!
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I workedon one house ,some years back, that needed much of the soaked subfloor removed and replaced.

Your might be like that----At $23--a sheet it might be worth the work to get the place cleaned properly.
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If the smell is persistent it may well be time to replace the subfloor as Oh Mike and Joe Caption are suggesting.........if you are indeed on a budget this will be the CHEAPEST long term solution. To install new flooring over a subfloor that still reeks of pet odors is gonna cost you in the long run when it HAS to be ripped out and replaced because of the odor. Might be time to bite the bullet.
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And if you introduce a new pet to the situation you may find it sniffing around and marking territory when you are not looking.

Enzymatic treatment would have been worth a shot but short of injecting it with one of the basting syringes or something you will not get it into the subfloor. It probably has to come up.
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Don't know if this is the problem, but sometimes for primers to be effective at their tasks, multiple coats must be applied with longer than normal drying periods between applications, like 24 hours. With BIN specifically, I had to allow 24 hours between coats and that worked. It was blocking stains and not odor, but. It's also possible that your nostrils are singed, and your smelling something that isn't there. I went on a job a few months back where they had a similar problem. I couldn't smell anything, but the woman insisted she could still smell it. She was the only one who could. I would invite someone over who doesn't know about the problem and didn't smell it prior to the BIN application, and just ask them if they can smell anything in general.
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jseridan, I see you're in Cape May. My grandmother had a house in Stone Harbor and I spent my growing-up summers there. Love the Cape May houses. Sorry for the personal aside. Anyway, so you think maybe since it's been over 24 hours since I last applied a coat that another coat now would finish the job? I would use the BIN primer again and have had a fan on it for almost 24 hours per ratherbefishin'. I checked it with a black light per brushjockey, but nothing is showing up. Just leaving the fan on and staying away from it to "refresh" my nose before a recheck.
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Okay, left fan on floor for two days solid. Kept away from it to refreshen nose. Definitely smells better today, but odor not completely gone. Does this mean it was the denatured alcohol? If so, is it safe to go ahead and lay down the new flooring? Or should I put another layer of BIN down? Someone suggested it sometimes takes 6 BIN layers to block such smells, but most on this site seem to think one or two should do it. Suggested next step?
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walls and ceiling aborb odors also
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aandre- Keep smelling roses and give the fan air out a couple more days- just to be sure. Once the carpet is down it's hard to go back.
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Okay, left fan on floor for two days solid. Kept away from it to refreshen nose. Definitely smells better today, but odor not completely gone. Does this mean it was the denatured alcohol? If so, is it safe to go ahead and lay down the new flooring? Or should I put another layer of BIN down? Someone suggested it sometimes takes 6 BIN layers to block such smells, but most on this site seem to think one or two should do it. Suggested next step?

2 should be one more than you needed


if you actually hit the spot where the odor was,is, I have my doubts, pretty sure it has sunk into the sub flooring and nothing is going to help but to get down there and prime that or better yet , tear it out.
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I've had success sealing in odors in the wood subfloor with Thompsons

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