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Old 05-25-2007, 04:24 PM   #16
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...We've sold several acrylics for many years now that will indeed go right over oil even without sanding. The schools around here use it all the time. ... Mirrolac from Devoe. We've put it over oils and epoxys and never had issues. Pratt & Lambert...Accolade that is capable of it. Sampson makes ...Weatherbrite that will do it as well. None of these are alkyd modified.
Not that I don't appreciate your position, but I would like you to appreciate mine

I've "heard" of many paints that will "go right over oil"
However, not one rep is willing to repay me for my time spent/lost correcting the problem if I use their product to paint someone's trim and it fails
If the products work so well, you'd think it would be a no-brain bet for them to take me up on it
If the products work-I use them again and again-they make another convert, I make more money (less work)

I know full well any product might be OK
I am not a school
Might doesn't cut it
Failure means a direct and huge cut in my 'paycheck' that week

Proper prep and prime always works
Until some company does puts their money where their mouth is, my procedure and my recommendations will not change

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Old 05-25-2007, 04:39 PM   #17
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Sampson and Davis will both back their products. Only in one instance have I ever seen Sampsons DTM fail. That was on an old oil roof. And honestly it wasn't the DTM that failed but the layers of paint under it. Sampson gave them the paint to redo the whole job even though it wasn't their fault at all. Davis was the same way. One job on an old trailer failed due to excessive chalking that wasn't cleaned up at all. Not Davis's fault but again they reimbursed the paint anyway. Both of these products are formulated just for this purpose though. Davis's was designed to repaint old railroad cars initially and Sampson's was designed with roof work in mind. Problem is Sampson and Davis are both local companies out of Virginia. You can't find them just anywhere. The advantage to smaller companies like that is that they WILL stand behind their product. Reputation will make or break a smaller business. I do understand your point, but not every company can be held to the same shady practices the big boys like BM and SW employ.
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Yes I was very upset when my favorite local paint manufacturer went out of business

You definitely get better service from local, smaller, companies like that
And most often better product too
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Yes indeed. We carried Glidden for a long time. Then it went into all the box stores. We brought in Devoe and Duron instead. Devoe wouldn't give us good prices in order to sell their product and since I couldn't sell much of it they gave us even worse prices. Then SW bought Duron and took it from all independent dealers and made it corporate stores only, except they sell it out of the SW right up the street now. 25 years worth of product reputation we built here and they take it all away. Now we Have Pratt and Lambert and while they have a lot of good products, and a few not so good, the customer service is what you'd expect from SW, virtually non-existent. The cycle continues.
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Sampson and Davis will both back their products.
Never heard of them.

You guys behind the counter know the catalogs and the manufactures promises, but it is us painter/contractors that have to deal with a mad H.O., face to face, when a product doesn't perform to expectations.

....what a headache for us, being guinea pigs for new products.
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A lot of places may operate like that but we don't. We make sure to test these products before bringing them in. Or we give a free sample of it to the people who will be using it to get their impressions from the field before deciding to go with the product. I took a sample of Sampson's DTM and painted a factory finished piece of shelving with it and set it outside for a while, and it wasn't really the best weather for it either. I couldn't scratch it off with a screwdriver once it cured. We just recently took a look at P&L's new Porcelain product. I can say it won't be coming into our store. Davis simple has a much better ceramic finish. I'll carry Davis for this type of product. You have to pick and choose when you are a small business. Giving all your loyalty to one company based solely on what they promise but often don't deliver puts you in a bad situation to do business with them. Not surprised you haven't heard of Sampson or Davis. If you are in California and these companies are both out of Virginia, I'm sure they don't distribute that far West. But regardless of the location and the exact companies, it's the smaller businesses that give you better service and in many cases better products.
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Not surprised you haven't heard of Sampson or Davis. If you are in California and these companies are both out of Virginia, I'm sure they don't distribute that far West.
I also think that a lot of companies don't want to hassle with the "enviro-whacko" laws and regulation imposed on us out here, industry has been leaving for decades because of the heavy oppression brought on by gov agencies.

I don't think it will be too much longer when we won't be able to buy anything alkyd.
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Here in Virginia the VOC laws are already hitting the northern parts of the state. I hear you can only buy oil products in quarts up there. Nothing larger. Davis has made a point of informing us that their oil products are NOT reformulated for VOC at all. They are the same good formulas they have always been, for now at least. They chose to pay the government the fee for each gram over the limit instead of modifying their product. They say it would cost them just as much either way so they'd rather retain the quality of the product as long as possible. Big name companies have a presence everywhere and choose to reformulate their entire product line thus sacrificing quality. But it's a no win situation in the end. We'll all be without the oil eventually.
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They chose to pay the government the fee for each gram over the limit instead of modifying their product.
Now ain't that a surprise, the government can be "bought"....who would have thunk. Kinda like the old R12 freon scare in the 90's, when our gov pals slapped on a 900% tax to uhhh..."protect" the ozone.
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Yes indeed. Pay the fee and the environment is suddenly safe again!

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