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Old 06-15-2013, 02:21 PM   #61
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There can be up to 40 ingredients in a good paint formulation - but adding more ingredients doesn't make for a better paint, usually. The average number of ingredients is around 15 or so...

A 'good' paint formulation has more to do with the balance - i.e. the ratio of one element to the others - of the various ingredients than solids or just ingredient quality...especially solids. A paint chemist can load a formulation with solids - but that won't improve the quality of it. But achieving a better balance - ie. what works best given a set of requirements, is what all the research does. Research costs $$ and that is why some of the better paints cost more.

Almost the same can be said of the quality of ingredents. Put it this way: there are no 'bad' ingredients, just lesser qualities of all good ingredients. The choice of which ingredient is ultimately selected comes down to function, cost and suitability with the other ingredients used.

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Quality paints cover more square footage BETTER........if that makes sense. A gallon of SW or BM will actually cover 300 to 400 sq. feet like the can says. On the other hand, cheaper paint covers about half as much and the coverage is poor. Many of the cheaper paints will require a 3rd or 4th coat for proper coverage.

I used Dunn Edwards paint, and while the paint seemed more watery, it covered well.

Speaking of coverage, Zinsser bullseye 123 primer doesn't cover well. I mean I used 40% of the gallon to cover 96 sq ft once over. I only get the minimum advertised coverage of 250 sqft per gallon.

Has anyone ever gotten near 400 sqft out of a gallon?
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Used Zinsser primers all the time. They are not meant to "cover" like paint or auto body or metal primers do. Some show through is to be expected. As far as coverage they performed as promised for me so am not sure why you had problems unless you applied to a very porous surface or perhaps you tried to get coverage like you would expect from a paint product?

If you kept applying the 123 until it covered completely you were wasting product and in the future know you do not need to do that. Just make sure there is at least an even primer/sealer "haze" over everything with no places missed completely. Then let the paint do its thing. Think of the pigment in the primer as but an indicator of where you have applied the sealers and undercoat resins you would not easily see otherwise.

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nah, I didn't keep applying. Just one coat, but on fresh joint compound skim coat.
I didn't lay it on thick.

The wallpaper glue residue was bleeding through the skim coat, and the bullseye covered it well. It just didn't go very far based on the amount I used.

Good thing it was on sale for $8/gallon after rebate.
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Next time, Gardz would be a better choice over wallpaper paste residue.
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nah, I didn't keep applying. Just one coat, but on fresh joint compound skim coat.
I didn't lay it on thick.

The wallpaper glue residue was bleeding through the skim coat, and the bullseye covered it well. It just didn't go very far based on the amount I used.

Good thing it was on sale for $8/gallon after rebate.

123 is not made or labeled for covering paste, as sd said Gardz is or Cover Stain
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Used Zinsser primers all the time. They are not meant to "cover" like paint or auto body or metal primers do. Some show through is to be expected.
Yes. Not going to get much "coverage" with Gardz, for example. It seals.
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123 is not made or labeled for covering paste, as sd said Gardz is or Cover Stain
yeah well, that's all I had on me. And my big box stores don't sell gardz.
And technically I wasn't covering directly over paste.

Hopefully it will hold up. I did everything against the rules, with j/c over residue, then primer and topcoat.
I will check it after a year and see if the yellow bleeds through the top coat.

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And my big box stores don't sell gardz.
Weird, isn't it?
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yeah well, that's all I had on me. And my big box stores don't sell gardz.
And technically I wasn't covering directly over paste.

Hopefully it will hold up. I did everything against the rules, with j/c over residue, then primer and topcoat.
I will check it after a year and see if the yellow bleeds through the top coat.
Home Depot & Menards both carry it. Which box store are you talking about?
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The Lowes website doesn't have it. The Home Depot website shows only 5 gal buckets. Makes no sense to me. I finally found a Benjamin Moore store that carries the gallons.
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I say again, the world has changed. If you must, many people ship paint (usually not custom mixed color) for free these days. Or some paint dealers allow you to order online and have product shipped to the local store if you do not want to involve them in the transaction. If box stores have already forced everybody else out of business where you are? Go around them and order online if they will not help get the products you want.


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