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Old 07-21-2012, 10:48 PM   #16
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I was redoing a door on this last fiasco but I also did a hallway that also gave me trouble and I didn't care much for the finish and I am going to redo that as well......I will re-prime and paint and not all in one this time!! You can take that one to the bank!! Burn me once.....maybe twice but never again!!! Everyone was saying how much easier it was to do it all at one time......the all in one "bleeds" thru multiple times.......it takes many many many many coats of paint. I don't care what color you are covering even if it is white and you are going with a color. This is taking entirely too long. I love to paint. I may not be an expert but I can hold my own.....if I do make a mistake I will continue until I get it the way it is supposed to be......I am picky I guess LOL......I do get frustrated and yes, I will carry this crap back. I can't take it anymore LOL I could do better with a can of spray paint than this mess.

We bought this house in '06.....the man put OIL BASED PAINT ON THE PORCH OUTSIDE!!! HELLOOOO MOLD AND MILDEW COME TO MY HOME!!! And, he used boards that rotted out that had to be replaced in less than 6 yrs. If I can ever get these other things done I can fix the rest of the things.

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Old 07-21-2012, 10:55 PM   #17
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The all in one paint/primer is thick itself and is difficult to paint with. You would think it would cover well but then it seems to thin out......and you can "see" thru it.....even on a white door. It really is annoying. I will retry in the morning. When I can grab my son I will have him post some photos for me........&/or take the door and toss it out the front door LOL
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Old 07-21-2012, 11:02 PM   #18
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First of all- realize that the Prime in paint line is marketing. A good painter knows to use a primer that is appropriate for the problem, then the paint that is best for the situation. They are 2 different functions. In SOME circumstances, you can use a coat of the paint to serve as primer, but it does not eliminate a coat.

And not all paints are born equal. There is a reason few pros buy their finish paints at the box stores. They need something they know will perform, both in application and for the client in the long run.

The only thing I buy at the boxes are primers that say Zinsser on them.
And a few sundries. That is it.
And I paint daily.
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Old 07-21-2012, 11:22 PM   #19
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I usually enjoy painting like baking. But here lately it is just frustrating. They gave me Zissner to cover the oil base paint outside and I can't recall the other for the inside. I am guessing my best bet is to re-prime and start fresh! As a painter your favorite paint to use would be.....? I have tried with a brush and with a roller and both methods are caca. Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions. I really appreciate it very much.
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Old 07-21-2012, 11:25 PM   #20
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Old 07-21-2012, 11:41 PM   #21
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Well- it is both a combination of technique and the right products.
I Like to say primer means problem solver. If you know the problem, you match the right problem solver.
adhesion? stain sealing? new porous surface? these are different problems with a different solution.
I personally like Zinnser primers and BM finish - Regal select is a good choice for walls. There are others, but as a painter I know the subtle differences between these.
For a simple exterior door finish I usually use BM Aura in the lo luster finish.
For interior walls I like BM Regal select Matte.

I don't agree 100% with his technique- but this is a good place to start..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqGHM...eature=related
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Another vote for BM, i've been happy everytime. You can pick up their mid grade paint or high end, both are much better than box stores paints. IMO
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If you have a Pittsburgh paint near by, try the Manor Hall line, good stuff and less expensive than BM. If my local BM had not moved 30 miles away, I would still be using it.
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You do it yourselfers make me smile. And, infuriate me simultaneously. Here's the real underlying issue with your paint problem... YOU ARE UNEDUCATED!!! People, there is a reason that there are professional painters... because painting is meant for professionals. Anyone who goes into a Lowe's (or any home improvement store for that matter) without planning properly should expect to leave with the wrong items/advice. The problem with customers today is that you all come in and expect to be spoonfed everything. I worked for Lowe's for years. People come in the front door B line for the "customer needs assistance" button and throw 10,000 questions at snot nosed college aged kids and expect them to know everything because they have a cute vest on. They are usually too busy to explain to you every single detail that you need to know so, don't hold others accountable for your lack of education. Here's an idea, DO SOME RESEARCH! READ! EDUCATE YOURSELF!

Now that the rant is over. The problem you're experiencing can be fixed by priming first. ALWAYS PRIME BEFORE PAINTING ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS! It does NOT matter if there is a primer in the paint and it does not matter if the walls were already painted. The primer makes for a bonding layer that makes it easier for the paint to adhere to the surface of the wall. Primers also block stains and add durability to your finished surface. Also, thicker paint is a GOOD THING. That is the other thing that always gets me... for years it is "THIS PAINT IS TOO THIN! ARGHH! TOO THIN! NOT ENOUGH COVERAGE!" And now, it is too thick!? Really people? Again, this is a lack of education. I'm assuming the original post on this thread was from someone who A.) Has never painted before in their life OR B.) Considers finger painting on the job, professional experience.

So, if you take anything from this rant; always prime your surfaces and become more self reliant (don't go into a store with no idea what you're doing or what you're talking about and expect to be able to just blame everything on someone if things don't work out).


As a side note: Valspar paint is exceptional. I have not only worked for Lowe's for years but also, I have been in the painting business for quite some time. I have used Valspars exterior paint and literally have slapped it on one side of a brick and held another brick up to it. Let it dry and the bricks cannot be pulled apart! It is truly incredible. Also keep in mind, Valspar has been around since the early 1800's so, they must be doing something right...
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Big mistake listening to a supposed paint guy from Lowe's, who more than likely knows absolutely nothing about paint( or anything else for that matter)

Go to a real paint store for paint

You are correct. People who work at Lowe's know nothing. They are all the same actually.They aren't even really people. They are just robots in red vests... Ya, robots who each know exactly the same amount of nothing.... GREAT ADVICE!
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Being educated and informed is vital for any painter (professional and DIY).
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In defense of someone working at Lowe's. No, they likely don't know a whole lot about paint and I wouldn't trust their advice for the most part, but, I will say this.......the paints change so quickly now in terms of formulations and new technologies that I find it hard to keep up.......and I've been doing this painting thing since 1977!
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Some of them know a little and they are the dangerous ones....lol....My local Lowe's has a manager in the paint department that used to work for SW and he really does know his stuff.I always cringe a little when I go in and he's not there.Most of the folks working there may be in paint for a day or two,garden for a day,appliances next day and so on.Hard to get to know a lot about any one thing that way.

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