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Old 12-17-2011, 07:06 AM   #16
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OK...here's my final words on this topic (maybe). Realizing we're essentially arguing semantics here, I maintain that the term "enamel" is a relevant and a somewhat definitive description of a coating designed to protect rigid substrates...For a chemist to make a broad, general statement dismissing a term that is widely recognized within the industry, to me at least, is a response, steeped in arrogance and coupled with just a splash of condescendence (followed by a chuckle, an all-knowing smile, a wink and a nod, a slap on the back, a poke in the ribs, a guffaw and a conspiratorial glance from side-to-side as he/she divulges one of the industry's best kept secrets)...that it is not merely a marketing term (although I agree certain terms within the industry are sometimes over-used) and there is a clear distinction between an enamel and non-enamel product (in other words, it does mean squat).

It is true that all films dry "hard", but the range of "hardness" is pretty broad when comparing different product types. Oddly (as it relates to this conversation at least), the harder the film, the more likely it will ultimately be defined as an enamel...Conversely, the less hard films will never carry that designation - that kinda defines the term "enamel" and is pretty much true with all manufacturers within this industry.

It's unfortunate though that, within this industry, a standard hasn't been imposed to identify that which should be defined as an enamel versus that which should not. There are also no government standards, no ASTM spec, nothing...

While it seems we may be saying the same thing, I've always believed it is our responsibility to know, and understand, these products that is the very basis of our livelihoods...Since our clients (actually, your clients - my clients are actual paint people) have access to unlimited information regarding paint and it's own special brand of peculiarities, it makes sense that the more we're able to intelligently discuss product differences, limitations, best systems, semantics, industry misnomers etc., the better we'll be able to serve these potential accounts, plus instill a level of confidence in them that may (or not) determine
the next step of this prospective new relationship...After all, in this industry, thats what separates us from animals.

Final point - and I address this primarily to Faron, Technical Data Sheets are different from Product Sell Sheets. Tech Data Sheets are statements-of-fact about a particular product and are generally recognized as such by most judges, arbitrators and courts. In the unfortunate event you may ever have to stand in court and defend a product in a law suit for a job gone horribly south, you're gonna want to hope, and depend on the fact that this data sheet does not include "meaningless" terms, or be loosely written (trust me on this one) -


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Old 12-18-2011, 02:42 PM   #17
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So I painted my oak face framed -raised panel cabinet doors with Pro Classic latex SG .Are they going to crack at the joints?
What would have been a" flexible " paint choice for a wood that is going to have movement for kitchen cabinets?
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Old 12-18-2011, 03:26 PM   #18
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all the waterbornes are more flexible than oils- i think that can be a strong point as long as the surface is also hard as in impenetrable. Most failure over time I have seen in trim paints ( oils) is because of brittleness and inflexibility.


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